Police State America

[Camp]

Judges have allowed this to happen.

Need to return to the rights of the person and castle doctrine as being above reproach.

It’s been a slow erosion that got us here.

[SixFoot]

We call these “police” nowadays. They wear the Black Flag.

[WuWei]

@conan

@WildRose

but Shaver is dead because he kept reaching behind his back as if to draw a weapon despite repeated warnings not do do so.

Oh BS. Cop just wanted to humiliate Daniels because he was on some power trip. There was not reason to have him crawl like some ■■■■■■■ dog. Other cop that was there could have just as easily walk up and handcuffed him after Danial’s was laying down on hall floor face down.

It is very often about a humbling to maintain dominance. They are taught to do it. And the more they do it, the quicker they are to do it.

They are scared bullies.

[TommyLucchese]

@Tom_Ch

PD has become a gang in my opinion.

Cops openly admit they’re “the biggest gang on the block.”

[TommyLucchese]

Maybe we should, I dunno, professionalize policing the way almost every other developed nation does.

[WuWei]

Such as?

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

Such as?

A four year degree instead of twenty college credits in literally anything and a three to six month academy.

Or how about a certification that’s as hard as the ones beauticians have to take to do nails.

[DougBH]

@TommyLucchese

The police are wilding these days. It’s not cool. They weren’t even like this in the 90s and crime was like genuinely out of control then.

It’s all that Homeland Security money. Bet.

Do you have some statistics supporting your claim that the police are using more unnecessary violence, or whatever you mean by “wilding”, than they were ever before?

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

Such as?

A four year degree instead of twenty college credits in literally anything and a three to six month academy.

Or how about a certification that’s as hard as the ones beauticians have to take to do nails.

A four year degree in what? What other country does that?

That I agree with, as long as they don’t write the test.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

A four year degree in what? What other country does that?

Criminal justice. In the UK they send them specifically to Hendon Police College, it’s a prerequisite to obtain a command rank in the Met and other police departments.

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

A four year degree in what? What other country does that?

Criminal justice. In the UK they send them specifically to Hendon Police College, it’s a prerequisite to obtain a command rank in the Met and other police departments.

Not for patrol. So no, it doesn’t address the problem. And we have that as well.

The problem with a “police college” is it’s part of a closed system. Police taught by police.

It needs to be taught by Constitutional scholars.

[SixFoot]

I hear citizens were once required to take Civics classes in order to learn about their constitutional rights.

[DougBH]

@WildRose

@conan

There was not reason to have him crawl like some ■■■■■■■ dog.

As I said I have some serious issues with how they handled it. That was a clear abuse of power, purposely trying to humiliate them both because for some reason they showed up pissed off.

In 2019, there were 697,195 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States. You are going to get some anecdotal bad cases in that situation. As far as most police, or the system goes, they mean nothing.
They are of course important to the few people involved.
If you took a city of 700,000 do you think you could find some bad actors? Would you use those to blame the whole city?

[WuWei]

@SixFoot

I hear citizens were once required to take Civics classes in order to learn about their constitutional rights.

And government classes to learn about government limitations.

[WuWei]

Does that include national cops? EPA and all that? Everybody with a badge and a gun?

[TommyLucchese]

@DougBH

Do you have some statistics supporting your claim that the police are using more unnecessary violence, or whatever you mean by “wilding”, than they were ever before?

I don’t need statistics. In the 90s they policed the most violent era since the Civil War with a gun, a nightstick and a vest they could barely stop a .380 most of them didn’t bother to wear. Riot squads wore “hats and bats” and didn’t even carry guns usually.

In the late 80s and early 90s there was a real years long debate over whether replacing the .38 revolvers most cops used with nine-mil Glocks was overkill for cops. While the murder rate was the highest it’s ever been since they started recording it uniformly. Let alone military equipment and MRAPs and full auto assault rifles and SWAT teams to serve ninety percent of warrants.

[TommyLucchese]

Maybe we shouldn’t base our policing on the “broken windows” theory which is based on the work of a guy who believes that the poor are incorrigible animals who must be terrorized into submission.

Maybe the most popular police trainer in the country shouldn’t be an ex soldier who’s never been a cop who encourages cops to shoot first and shoot often.

[Liberty323]

I wish we could have more Andy Griffith and less Robocop or Tackleberry.

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

Maybe we shouldn’t base our policing on the “broken windows” theory which is based on the work of a guy who believes that the poor are incorrigible animals who must be terrorized into submission.

Maybe the most popular police trainer in the country shouldn’t be an ex soldier who’s never been a cop who encourages cops to shoot first and shoot often.

I don’t disagree. I didn’t know Jbiden was that big a deal in broken windows.

[DougBH]

@WuWei

Does that include national cops? EPA and all that? Everybody with a badge and a gun?

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