Police shooting in kenosha wisconsin

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jamerican

@Oldandtired

If you walk away after a cop gives you an order than your death is your own fault.

No it’s not.
He had no weapon, his back was turned, the cop grab his shirt and shot him in the back at point blank range. You can say this dumb ■■■■ because it’s not one of your love ones.

Right, not fair, they should wait until he gets a gun from his car first and points it at them, then they can fire and if that gets some cops killed, who cares.

Better to shoot someone in the back seven times at point blank than to have the possibility that he may be able to obtain a weapon that may or may not exist.

Yes it is. And is easily avoided but following legal police orders.

And failing to do so should end up with getting shot in the back seven times at point blank range.

That is a great country to live in.

[GWH]

They put in a requisition for body cameras. Should arrive mid-2021. Possibly sooner now.

[WuWei]

It also appears to me that we have a ROE drift into failure.

Where I was, the rule was simple: See weapon shoot.

If no weapon was seen, you didn’t shoot.

Have the courts allowed “furtive movement” to be excused by qualified immunity to the point in which anybody can be shot for any reason?

Are the police academies or training officers giving instruction contrary to the actual law? I have been told by cops that it happens with ID laws in the academies.

This whole thing seems to me to be a worst case outcome of a much greater problem. I have no doubt rights are violated on a routine basis and we are not aware of it because:

1. We don’t know the actual law
2. The outcome is not a shooting

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jamerican

@Oldandtired

If you walk away after a cop gives you an order than your death is your own fault.

No it’s not.
He had no weapon, his back was turned, the cop grab his shirt and shot him in the back at point blank range. You can say this dumb ■■■■ because it’s not one of your love ones.

Right, not fair, they should wait until he gets a gun from his car first and points it at them, then they can fire and if that gets some cops killed, who cares.

Better to shoot someone in the back seven times at point blank than to have the possibility that he may be able to obtain a weapon that may or may not exist.

Yes it is. And is easily avoided but following legal police orders.

And failing to do so should end up with getting shot in the back seven times at point blank range.

That is a great country to live in.

Yes it is a great country to live in if you aren’t a criminal who thinks there should be no consequences for your own actions. My odds of being shot by a cop are infinitesimal. And no, not because of my skin color.

[gooddad409]

@Snow96

@Safiel

One of the first five bills in the new Congress needs to be the unconditional end of qualified immunity.

Only if politicians (mayors, city council members, state legislators, governors, and federal politicians are included). Especially with the defund police movement going on in some city. They defund and someone gets killed because of it (or injured, or have their property taken, or looted, or their business or home burned to the ground) then the politicians need to be held accountible.

Excellent!

[moonshine]

@sbedgood

All the more reason for body cameras on ‘all’ cops all the time on duty

no body cam,the cop is guilty.
if im on the jury thats how id vote.
no benefit of the doubt to the cops any longer

[WuWei]

@zantax

Did you disobey a lawful order or were you doing as directed?

You keep saying “legal” and “lawful” orders. What in the Constitution gives police the authority to order me to do anything?

Am I subordinate to the police?

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jamerican

@Oldandtired

If you walk away after a cop gives you an order than your death is your own fault.

No it’s not.
He had no weapon, his back was turned, the cop grab his shirt and shot him in the back at point blank range. You can say this dumb ■■■■ because it’s not one of your love ones.

Right, not fair, they should wait until he gets a gun from his car first and points it at them, then they can fire and if that gets some cops killed, who cares.

Better to shoot someone in the back seven times at point blank than to have the possibility that he may be able to obtain a weapon that may or may not exist.

Yes it is. And is easily avoided but following legal police orders.

And failing to do so should end up with getting shot in the back seven times at point blank range.

That is a great country to live in.

Yes it is a great country to live in if you aren’t a criminal who thinks there should be no consequences for your own actions.

What crime was Jacob Blake committing?

[gooddad409]

@zantax

@tnt

@zantax

Right, not fair, they should wait until he gets a gun from his car first and points it at them, then they can fire and if that gets some cops killed, who cares.

If that is your logic, I wonder why I didn’t get shot Saturday while getting a speeding ticket. After all, I may have had a gun in the glove box. Why should the trooper have waited to see if I did or not? Why wasn’t I shot?

Did you disobey a lawful order or were you doing as directed? Big difference between going into your glove box when asked and going for it when told to keep your hands on the wheel. No idea why I have to explain this stuff to adults.

Because some are determined to play politics with these incidents.Probably today’s talking pts as well.

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jamerican

@Oldandtired

If you walk away after a cop gives you an order than your death is your own fault.

No it’s not.
He had no weapon, his back was turned, the cop grab his shirt and shot him in the back at point blank range. You can say this dumb ■■■■ because it’s not one of your love ones.

Right, not fair, they should wait until he gets a gun from his car first and points it at them, then they can fire and if that gets some cops killed, who cares.

Better to shoot someone in the back seven times at point blank than to have the possibility that he may be able to obtain a weapon that may or may not exist.

Yes it is. And is easily avoided but following legal police orders.

And failing to do so should end up with getting shot in the back seven times at point blank range.

That is a great country to live in.

Yes it is a great country to live in if you aren’t a criminal who thinks there should be no consequences for your own actions.

What crime was Jacob Blake committing?

Trotting out extremely rare examples doesn’t make your case. And blaming all police for it no different than me holding all black men responsible for that guy who just shot a little white kid in the face.

[WuWei]

@gooddad409

Because some are determined to play politics with these incidents.Probably today’s talking pts as well.

These incidents are politics.

[WuWei]

@zantax

Trotting out extremely rare examples doesn’t make your case.

What? This example is this case.

[Steel-W0LF]

@WuWei

It also appears to me that we have a ROE drift into failure.

Where I was, the rule was simple: See weapon shoot.

If no weapon was seen, you didn’t shoot.

Have the courts allowed “furtive movement” to be excused by qualified immunity to the point in which anybody can be shot for any reason?

Are the police academies or training officers giving instruction contrary to the actual law? I have been told by cops that it happens with ID laws in the academies.

This whole thing seems to me to be a worst case outcome of a much greater problem. I have no doubt rights are violated on a routine basis and we are not aware of it because:

1. We don’t know the actual law
2. The outcome is not a shooting

This. This is exactly it.

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

Trotting out extremely rare examples doesn’t make your case.

Hilarious.

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

Trotting out extremely rare examples doesn’t make your case.

What? This example is this case.

No, any example of an innocent being shot by police. How many times did that happen last year exactly.

[moonshine]

the washington post has a database of all the police shootings in the past year. the majority of the time there were no body cams.

there is no reason for this. in this day and age every cop should have a body cam.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

[WuWei]

@Steel-W0LF

@WuWei

It also appears to me that we have a ROE drift into failure.

Where I was, the rule was simple: See weapon shoot.

If no weapon was seen, you didn’t shoot.

Have the courts allowed “furtive movement” to be excused by qualified immunity to the point in which anybody can be shot for any reason?

Are the police academies or training officers giving instruction contrary to the actual law? I have been told by cops that it happens with ID laws in the academies.

This whole thing seems to me to be a worst case outcome of a much greater problem. I have no doubt rights are violated on a routine basis and we are not aware of it because:

1. We don’t know the actual law
2. The outcome is not a shooting

This. This is exactly it.

I think a big part of it is our expectation that the police can prevent crime. We have demanded “proactive” for so long that we have given them the mindset that they must do what is necessary to “protect” the community. Then we leave it to their discretion until we don’t like the outcome.

Too many things are illegal. Police are often used as a weapon to be pointed at somebody or some behavior “we” disapprove of.

Not only do we tell them what to do; we want to tell them how to do it.

Look at the comments about how many rounds were fired. Seven!

Completely irrelevant. One or 70, lethal force was used. The question is; was it warranted and how?

[WuWei]

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

Trotting out extremely rare examples doesn’t make your case.

What? This example is this case.

No, any example of an innocent being shot by police. How many times did that happen last year exactly.

“Innocent”? All of them. We don’t adjudicate in the street.

Self-defense or defense of others from lethal force.

[sbedgood]

Great post

[WuWei]

@sbedgood

Great post

Thank you for your kind words. I’ve done some studying on it.