Police needs to stand down in all major democrat strongholds

gooddad409 · 2020-06-05T11:51:43.278Z

WildRose:

Unlawful use of force?

How is preventing violent “protesters” from attacking the man’s home unlawful?

I keep thinking about those violent thugs beating that poor woman in Rochester with 2 by 4’s. Then when the husband tried to intervene they beat him too.

fallenturtle · 2020-06-05T17:52:07.355Z

WildRose:

You’re justified in the use of deadly force any time someone forcibly enters your home or business.

You are justified in the use of deadly force to stop anyone even attempting to do so.

Your are justified in the use of deadly force to stop, or prevent arson.

You are justified in the use of deadly force to stop anyone committing an aggravated violent felony of any kind.

Legally, sure. Morally, its relative to the individual.

WildRose · 2020-06-05T17:53:23.778Z

The law and all of human history are on my side of this argument

fallenturtle · 2020-06-05T18:01:14.398Z

WildRose:

The law and all of human history are on my side of this argument

I never claimed it was against the law. Using human history to justify what you consider moral is probably not a road you want to go down.

WildRose · 2020-06-05T18:03:48.443Z

Defending your life and property is among our most basic rights under natural law and our own constitution.

If you are willing to give yours up when threatened and /or run that’s your choice but as I said, the law and all of human history is on my side.

fallenturtle · 2020-06-05T18:08:06.998Z

WildRose:

Defending your life and property is among our most basic rights under natural law and our own constitution.

If you are willing to give yours up when threatened and /or run that’s your choice but as I said, the law and all of human history is on my side.

You are imagining arguments that aren’t happening. I have never said you don’t have a right to self defense.

WildRose · 2020-06-05T18:13:43.908Z

And I never claimed you did. Another failed Strawman Argument on your part.

fallenturtle · 2020-06-05T18:18:37.422Z

WildRose:

And I never claimed you did. Another failed Strawman Argument on your part.

Then why are you replying to me with this?

WildRose · 2020-06-05T18:57:43.945Z

If you can’t follow your own conversation I can’t help thou.

Explain to me though how something is amoral or immoral if it is among our most basic human and constitutional rights.

fallenturtle · 2020-06-05T20:17:27.210Z

WildRose:

If you can’t follow your own conversation I can’t help thou.

I can follow it just fine. That’s why I found it odd that you were telling me things that I already knew and hadn’t said anything counter to.

WildRose:

Explain to me though how something is amoral or immoral if it is among our most basic human and constitutional rights.

Because morals are relative to the person/people who holds them. Whether or not its a right protected by the constitutional or some sort of humanist or supernatural law does not mean everyone considers it moral. You could claim its a human right to hunt, kill, and eat animals but there are plenty of Americans who think thats immoral despite it being moral to you.

mbus · 2020-06-06T17:52:37.698Z

WildRose:

Enough do to make it concerning.

These signs are now popping up at “protests” around the country and elected “leaders” including at least one sitting congresscritter are endorsing it.

Yes, I see that, Rose. Concerning.

However the whole issue of police use of force is enormously complex. They are one of the few agencies of the US Gov’t. with the authority to detain our bodies, confiscate our possessions and, if necessary, take out lives. So the performance bar must be extraordinarily high. And, generally, I would say they do an excellent job at this most difficult task (I’m not an expert–and have limited knowledge).

However, as the power is so absolute and the responsibility so high, that if the net result of all this turmoil is yet one more effort at better pay (much), better recruitment, better training…then some good may come of it.

It’s early in the morning, so my optimism hasn’t waned yet.

conan · 2020-06-08T00:02:58.211Z

Apparently Minneapolis City Council just approved veto proof push to disband their police department.

All police that works for Minneapolis should return home immediately and prepare to find other employment starting right now.

Give the city what they want. Go home.

Fox News

Minneapolis City Council announces veto-proof push to disband police in...

Minneapolis' left-leaning City Council members on Sunday announced a veto-proof push to disband the Minneapolis police department, ramping up a major conflict inside the city following the death of George Floyd while in police custody.

conan · 2020-06-08T00:05:11.194Z

Oh…and the president or national guards should not take their place when call upon. Stay home.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-06-08T00:06:28.440Z

and we need to get back any monies the fed gave them for any law enforcement initiatives

markdido · 2020-06-08T00:32:17.912Z

He ya go Minneapolis. These are the morons who want to strip you of police protection.

Get out of that ■■■■ hole as fast as you can.

minneapolismn.gov

City Council

The Council makes the laws that govern the City. Each Council Member is elected from one of thirteen separate wards.

conan · 2020-06-08T00:35:34.555Z

And residents property taxes that was meant for the police should be repealed.

conan · 2020-06-08T00:37:11.005Z

Frankly any Minneapolis that shows up now has a screw lose…knowing no matter whatever they do city won’t have their backs.

Stay home.

TheRedComet · 2020-06-08T00:42:41.191Z

Well at least we will get a good, yet horrifying, show out of this decision.

I’m big on police reform, and I’ve posted what I believe needs reforming on other threads over the years, but this… this is absolute insanity.

You reform your departments, not destroy it. You increase training for police officers, not fire them. You fix the issues, not throw them into the river.

Have they lost their ■■■■■■■ minds??! Do they have any idea what this ultimately means long term?

Someone will have to take over the services the police currently provide. So are we going for a Paris Commune styled National Guard force?

If the central issue is that too many cops are brutal human beings without proper training, why the hell would you replace them with ill educated revolutionaries who have even less training??

conan · 2020-06-08T00:45:47.352Z

I think what libs want is federal goverment interventionism So by disbanding local police…which they’re pushing by defunding them then state has to step in. And if state can’t then federal goverment has to step in.

And that would be Trump downfall.

Libs been pushing for national police force.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-06-08T01:30:40.484Z

last i checked MN had state police. i wonder if they realize howmuch power they’re about to cede to the governor