Police cuff and pepper spray a 9 year old girl

[TommyLucchese]

@CanadianJudo

If the police can’t property deal with a distraught 9 year old, maybe they should think about a career change, like a cashier at Wal-mart would have handle this better.

Twelve dollar an hour bouncers deal with grown ass men every single day everywhere in the country with more restraint.

[TommyLucchese]

@Tguns

And the SOP failed after mom and dad.

Lots of failure, no fixes.

You guys are awful condescending towards the parents when you have no idea what this kid’s problems were or why.

[Samm]

@TommyLucchese

@Samm

Sure a lot of armchair quarterbacking going on here …

Pretty easy to armchair quarterback macing a nine year old who’s already in cuffs in the back of the cruiser: pretty ■■■■■■■ stupid.

Yes it is … when all you see is the end of the play.

[TheRedComet]

So the states can oppress all they want to?

[plsd2mechu]

@Samm

That’s not how I remember the discussion. The discussion was about dismantling police departments, essentially getting rid of cops and replacing them with social workers. Is that what you think should be done?

I remember being a ballerina in a tutu dancing on top of cars during a blizzard in the 90’s.

It didn’t happen.

Defund was NEVER about “getting rid of cops”!

I watched some of those “discussions/debates” here and that was NOT the point some were trying to make!

It was a discussion about all the money going to “militarize” police departments, with weapons, gear and tanks. when some of that money could be spent on funding mental health professionals to help people in difficult situations.

So that a 911 dispatcher could have another alternative than sending cops to an address/ situation that didn’t need cops.

I remember when I was an ED for a senior outreach program back in the early 2000’s here in Brooklyn. NY…

Woodhull Hospital had an amazing Mobile Mental Health Unit. However,

911 would never call it. It was up to us non profit community providers to get them to homes.

It was such a GREAT program and even though we fought HARD to keep it funded (MANY of us gave our own personal $$$ to keep it funded)…?

There was more interest in getting tanks and weapons to subdue folks and place them in the “system” than there was in expanding the program and actually trying to HELP people suffering from a crisis or a mental illness!

This should have NEVER happened to this 9 year old girl!

And YES… I’ve raised FIVE sons in Brooklyn.NY and I was fortunate to NEVER had to call cops for crazy behaviour (and believe me…there were a few times…)

I was lucky!

I HAVE had to call 911 on a sister who is schizophrenic…but that was before HIPPA laws.

After HIPPA? when she was an adult and in “crisis”?
I had to watch ambulance leave and hear that she jumped in front of the “F” train 2 months later.

There is a whole spectrum of needs for the mentally ill…

Just like the needs of the physically ill!

Some here wanna explain how “frightening” a 9 yr old in crisis can be to 7-9 cops that they have to mace her after she is handcuffed!

“They had no choice”…

“Some 9 year olds are BIG!”

“She was OUT of CONTROL”

“Her parents could have done better…”

I think the money spent on the mace would/could have been better spent on training for cops and/OR more funding to municipalities to have better services for folks in crisis!

I’d think that you wouldn’t handcuff or pepper spray someone having a seizure or a heart attack.

[zantax]

@TheRedComet

So the states can oppress all they want to?

No, but if they do, it doesn’t have anything to do with small government conservatism, which is focused on federal power.

[toreyj01]

@AngraMainyu

So, I know the mother. She has made some mistakes in life and has on the right track for awhile now. She works, pays her bills and takes no public assistance. I would urge caution when chalking this up to abuse.

Since the police have dropped her address on the public waves, there are people coming back throwing trash in her yard and sending her death threats. She’s now trying to find another place to live because it has gotten so bad.

I am not saying the Mother abused the girl, but the Step Father had a screaming match with the child to the point the child wanted to talked with her real Father and the Mother refused, citing that she had custody. Even in the car the girl was calling for her Dad.

She was injured prior to the Police arriving, according to the Mother.

I am glad she is on the right track, that is a good thing. But I don’t get how the Step Father has any right to be screaming at a nine year old that isn’t his. Step parents can be incredible and loving additions to a child’s life, but I hesitate when it comes to disciplining a child that is still not yours but your spouse’s.

It doesn’t look good.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

@toreyj01

Most logically, this seems like the girl is being abused

Could be, but that’s quite a leap.

Maybe not physically, but the Mother admitted that the Step Father had a screaming match with the girl. Who is the adult here? That is abuse as well.

[sikofit]

@Samm

@sikofit

@Samm

Sounds like you know as much about hysterical 9 yr-old girls as FY does.

No; the person arguing that pepper spray is needed is the one who doesn’t know much about handling hysterical 9 year old girls

Who might that be?

You…

[toreyj01]

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

@TommyLucchese

@zantax

Someone still doesn’t understand that descriptor I see.

Nothing says small government conservatism like unquestioningly supporting state violence on children.

How many times do I have to explain the concept to you before you get it? Small government conservative is only relevant to federal power.

That is not at all true.

Yes, it is. A small government conservative is concerned with federal power growth, not state or local government. It’s a national concern, not a local concern.

Gretchen Whitmer would disagree with you.

[toreyj01]

@Tguns

@zantax

What else are they supposed to do if she refuses to get in the car, minus the pepper spray, which happened after she was already restrained. Leave her there? Stay there for hours or days?

Hours, days, weeks…it’s a kid with emotional issues, you don’t cuff her, stuff her in a cruiser and pepper spray her.

Here’s a thought, contain her, call CPS (or whatever the equivalent is), call mom and dad, call a social worker, get someone who has the wherewithal to end the situation without manhandling a child.

Here is the odd thing, I’m not blaming the cops, I’m blaming their tactics/training.

Precisely, and when Libs were talking about “defunding” the Police, this is what they were talking about. Why do we need the Police here? Because there isn’t other resources available to handle this, such as a crisis manager/social worker on call who can be mobilized by a 911 call.

We ask too much of Cops, they aren’t trained to be crisis managers, to know how to handle drug abuse or abusers, to deal with suicide attempts. They need to be Police officers, not psychiatrists or social workers.

[sikofit]

@WuWei

@DougBH

@Scratch

@DougBH

No, rather it might cause people to not like the specific cops involved, not cops.

Been too many instances of cops in general upping aggressiveness…

Of course, how many out of the million or so cops?

Hundreds. They aren’t individuals

Thin blue line

[zantax]

@toreyj01

@Tguns

@zantax

What else are they supposed to do if she refuses to get in the car, minus the pepper spray, which happened after she was already restrained. Leave her there? Stay there for hours or days?

Hours, days, weeks…it’s a kid with emotional issues, you don’t cuff her, stuff her in a cruiser and pepper spray her.

Here’s a thought, contain her, call CPS (or whatever the equivalent is), call mom and dad, call a social worker, get someone who has the wherewithal to end the situation without manhandling a child.

Here is the odd thing, I’m not blaming the cops, I’m blaming their tactics/training.

Precisely, and when Libs were talking about “defunding” the Police, this is what they were talking about. Why do we need the Police here? Because there isn’t other resources available to handle this, such as a crisis manager/social worker on call who can be mobilized by a 911 call.

We ask too much of Cops, they aren’t trained to be crisis managers, to know how to handle drug abuse or abusers, to deal with suicide attempts. They need to be Police officers, not psychiatrists or social workers.

Except from what I read, they do have a crisis team there, but didn’t send them due to the threat of violence, ie the girl threatening to kill her mother.

[sikofit]

@zantax

What world is that? Where a brat gets pepper sprayed while trying to injure police, yes, I want to live there.

That’s not what happened. Did you even watch the video?

[sikofit]

@zantax

@TheRedComet

Really man? She’s going to “injure” the officers? When she’s already cuffed and in the cruiser?

No, but I don’t mind her getting a reality check.

A reality check from police? She’s freaking 9!!!

[Guilds]

@sikofit

A reality check from police? She’s freaking 9!!!

Some people think getting beat or abused by cops can be a positive life changing moment.

[zantax]

@Guilds

@sikofit

A reality check from police? She’s freaking 9!!!

Some people think getting beat or abused by cops can be a positive life changing moment.

Just getting arrested can be.

[sikofit]

@zantax

Been pepper sprayed, it’s not gtmo.

How old were you?

[sikofit]

@zantax

@Guilds

@sikofit

A reality check from police? She’s freaking 9!!!

Some people think getting beat or abused by cops can be a positive life changing moment.

Just getting arrested can be.

Small government conservative advocating arresting 9 year olds to teach them a lesson

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@toreyj01

Most logically, this seems like the girl is being abused

Could be, but that’s quite a leap.

Maybe not physically, but the Mother admitted that the Step Father had a screaming match with the girl. Who is the adult here? That is abuse as well.

It can be. I just wouldn’t make that jump without evidence.

Sounds to me like a classic case of “You’re not my real daddy!”