Police cuff and pepper spray a 9 year old girl

[FloridaYankee]

@Samm

@FloridaYankee

@Sknyluv

@Samm

Seriously … what were their options?

Not to use pepper spray?

Ice cream. Ice cream fixes things.

Yeah, all emotionally distraught 9 year olds will completely forget everything that troubles them for ice cream.

For me they would.

[Scratch]

@DougBH

No, rather it might cause people to not like the specific cops involved, not cops.

Been too many instances of cops in general upping aggressiveness…

[DougBH]

@Scratch

@DougBH

No, rather it might cause people to not like the specific cops involved, not cops.

Been too many instances of cops in general upping aggressiveness…

Of course, how many out of the million or so cops?

[Scratch]

Too many…It’s beginning to happen too often. And some defend their actions, including some on here. Before you know it, it will be SOP.

[TommyLucchese]

@RTchoke

And then people would be bitching they dared to lay a hand on her.

This was a no win situation IMHO.

Yeah so why not maced a handcuff nine year old. Might as well be as brutal as possible since if they were less brutal people would have still complained.

[Tguns]

At what point along the line of a rational thought process in responding to a suicidal child does it diverge into the idea of cuffing them, tossing them in the back of a cruiser and pepper spraying them?

[RayStark]

I’m going to go with at no point because I don’t believe it was a rational response.

[zantax]

@Tguns

At what point along the line of a rational thought process in responding to a suicidal child does it diverge into the idea of cuffing them, tossing them in the back of a cruiser and pepper spraying them?

What else are they supposed to do if she refuses to get in the car, minus the pepper spray, which happened after she was already restrained. Leave her there? Stay there for hours or days?

[Samm]

@WuWei

@Scratch

@Samm

And do what instead?

How about just picking her legs up and getting in the back seat with her? Is it really that difficult to figure out?

How about sitting down and having a conversation about what she needs instead of shoving her in the back of a car and hailing her off to dump in the system.

That’s the job of social workers, not cops.

[Samm]

@WuWei

@Samm

@WuWei

I’ve been handcuffed hundreds of times.

No wonder you hate cops.

You assume.

I didn’t say I was handcuffed hundreds of times by cops.

Okay, but let’s not get into your sex life here.

[Samm]

@Scratch

I have a kid…its not that difficult.

You’re lucky that you have never experienced an out of control hysterical child.

[Samm]

@sikofit

@Samm

Why were the cops called if not to do cop’s business

I seem to remember something this summer about taking police out of these type of situations. I also remember you arguing against it.

That’s not how I remember the discussion. The discussion was about dismantling police departments, essentially getting rid of cops and replacing them with social workers. Is that what you think should be done?

[Samm]

@Tom_Ch

@Samm

@Sknyluv

@Samm

Seriously … what were their options?

Not to use pepper spray?

And do what instead?

Pepper spray, Guns or taser. .those are the only things cops can do.

That’s a sad state of affair if cops can’t even deal with 9 year old properly. And we have people defending cops.

That’s still not an answer. The question was not about what they should not have done, it was about what they should have done. What precisely should they have done?

[Samm]

@sikofit

@Samm

Sounds like you know as much about hysterical 9 yr-old girls as FY does.

No; the person arguing that pepper spray is needed is the one who doesn’t know much about handling hysterical 9 year old girls

Who might that be?

[Samm]

@WuWei

@Samm

@WuWei

@Samm

You can ask the same question for any comparable action performed in the line of duty by police.

You going to answer? Was the child under arrest? If they were taking her to a hospital, is handcuffed in a police car the proper mode of transport?

The only question you asked was “resisting what?” That’s obvious … being put in the car.

As far as being arrested, your guess is as good as mine. Why were they called to respond?

What authority do they have to “put in the car”? To handcuff? To spray? To even give her a directive? To arrest her?

What crime did she commit?

They were called by someone at that address to respond to a domestic disturbance. I don’t know what the policy is in that city, but it is common police department policy in most municipalities that in domestic disturbance cases, at least one of the involved individuals will be removed from the scene. There are way too many instances of violence resuming and escalating after the cops leave because they thought they had resolved the situation.

[toreyj01]

My take on this, for what it is worth.

I heard the Mother mutter something about custody as the child called for her Father.

According to the Mother and the Police report, she did not live with her Mom and Dad, she lived with her Mom and her Step Father.

She was recently injured on one of her arms, which was exacerbated by the Police manhandling her. And, according to the Mother, the whole incident started with an argument between the girl and the Step Father.

Most logically, this seems like the girl is being abused and had just had enough of it, she wanted her Dad but according to the Mother, that wasn’t going to happen because she had custody.

So SuperMom calls the Cops on her daughter, instead of letting her see or talk to her Father who might calm her down. And they brutalize her.

And now SuperMom is suing the Police.

That poor girl.

[Samm]

@TommyLucchese

@Meriweather

This is a fourth grader…they can be tough.

This is a fourth grader. They can be picked up by one ankle and dangled helplessly with a minimum of effort by any even moderately sized man.

I can just imagine what the public outrage would be if they saw the video of police doing that.

[Samm]

@WuWei

@Meriweather

And the parents called the police not an ambulance.

Are the police not capable of calling an ambulance?

Sure a lot of armchair quarterbacking going on here …

[Samm]

@zantax

@Tom_Ch

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

@WuWei

It seems it is much harder to say “This isn’t a job for the police” than we all think.

That should have been her parents thought.

The police are the “professionals”.

Odd, I managed to raise my children without having to call the professionals in to help me.

Good for you. But your fortunate circumstances doesn’t help people who are not as fortunate. Maybe you can provide more constructive contribution to the problem.

Seems constructive to me, if you think you have to call the cops on your nine year old, you probably shouldn’t have had children.

What are you suggesting, that they should lose their parental rights? Wouldn’t that require the forced removal of the child by authorities? What if the child didn’t want to leave and threw a hysterical tantrum?

[Samm]

@Guvnah

@Tom_Ch

That’s a sad state of affair if cops can’t even deal with 9 year old properly. And we have people defending cops.

Even the family couldn’t handle her. (Thus, the cops were called.)

And cops do things cop-ways.

The cops DID handle her. They got her into the car, and delivered her to a hospital.

I think the cops were put in an impossible situation. Had they done nothing and the kid ended up hurting herself, they would be bearing the same wrath. Had they subdued her by other means (such as physically tossing her in the car – which is what I might have done) and had she gotten hurt that way, they would be bearing the same wrath.

This is a situation where cops were not the right resource to intervene. But in the absence of such alternative resource, what other option was there?

Pretty much my point exactly. There is far too much judgement going on here without any intimate knowledge of the details behind the pepper spay moment.