America politics is no different than any other country who has a two-party system. Blame game is to be expected. Weather, disease sometimes spread in some regions more than others. Kind of like how things went out of your control with dry weather and lightning causing wild fires last year there in Australia blazing out of control. You were very critical of government response there, but yet here in the USA we largely contained our wild fires. In the end analysis hard to blame any country leader for acts of mother nature. Here in the best case assuming China origin spreading out of control globally was indeed an accident I find this merely an excellent opportunity to displace Trump for the Dems plain and simple. Likewise, if Obama was in office when this hit, the Republicans would be doing the exact same thing.
Have we reached 60 million infections yet like we did with the swine flu?
I will point out that during the bush fire crises here Morrison took a significant hit in his approval rating. Currently his approval rating is now in the 60s. That is during the current pandemic he has significantly improved his approval rating. Is that what has happened to Trump during the pandemic?
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Pence is not a medical professional. It would be an abrogation of Trumpâs responsibility to not solicit directly the input from medical professionals.
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Governors from both sides of the political aisle were articulating the need for a central point to purchase ventilators and PPE to prevent the situation where states were competing with other states and the federal government.
Which states do you think will support Trump based on the BLM protests? California? New York?
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School communities are not the sole province of kids. Adults are also part of that community. And a significant part of adults in that community may be in a vulnerable demographic. How does one reconcile Trumpâs demand that schools open irrespective of the status of COVID-19 in that area?
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We have states and territories. Specifically where the Australian Constitution provides specific power of the Federal Government to legislate in that area Federal legislation takes precedence over State legislation.
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There is not much difference between the numbers of visitors from China to Australia and China to the USA.
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Trumpâs claim was that the USA had tested more than virtually any other country in the world. Of course, if one ignores per capita rates you can argue the veracity of Trumpâs claim. Demonstrably that would be a nonsense to do so.
During January we have the Aussie Open which is a major attraction for visitors to Australia including from China.
Since New Yearâs Eve, I suspect the so called regulars to tennis from China already had growing concerns about the virus probably keeping many away. Do you at least have any attendance reports comparing this year from last?
It is getting a little late here so I will have a more comprehensive response later this morning.
2020 Aussie Open attendance 812,174 compared to 2019 attendance 796,435. As a matter of interest the Australian Open is marketed as the Grand Slam of Asia.
Just curious your take on where in China is the bulk of interest in tennis? I suspect Hong Kong has a lot more avid fans than Wuhan region. Sleep on itâŚ
While I do perhaps you can look up Li Na.
Not really following what to look up about Li Na , if you mean life matters it is a given BLM is totally behind Biden.
Li Na is a tennis player from China.
LOL, just looked her up, she is from Wuhan and also now retired.
Here is one from Hong Kong on the rise:
I was aware that she had retired. My point was her impact on popularising tennis in China. This is in the context of China holding some big tournaments during a normal season; that Australia pre-COVID-19 was a major destiny for Chinese tourists and the Aussie Open is marketed as the Grand Slam of Asia Pacific. This is particularly targeted towards Japan and China.
Not disputing tennis is very popular in Mainland China, and imagine Hong Kong too.
Per Rueters, more than 59 million people in China tuned into watch the Australian Open in 2017, up by more than 84 percent on the year before and organizers are banking on numbers rising again.
However,the United States also happened to have the most widely viewed global sporting event called the Super Bowl in early Feb. The travel ban by Trump started 5pm on the very day of Super Bowl Sunday and thus did not prevent most anyone who had secured airline tickets prior to come to America and enjoy the game too. .
Per Rueters, Super Bowl LIII had seven million total viewers in China across both digital and TV platforms last year. Nearly 80% of viewership came from the digital side, and more that 60% of that digital traffic comes via Ten cent, the largest streaming platform in China.
Although typical viewership for Aussie tennis in Mainland China is still like 8 times higher for tennis than football, the allure of the Super Bowl does include Hong Kong residents and other on the Mainland that are affluent.
Add to that, only logical to conclude travelers who make the effort to travel abroad to attend sporting events are probably not the ones here from Wuhan that were infected.
If you recall, the Chinese government and the World Health Organization spoke out harshly with especially both USA and Australia initiating travel bans in early Feb, the 1st two countries to act.
Per voanews.com, mainland China government officials finally began to seal the Wuhan borders on Jan. 23. But it was too late. Speaking to reporters a few days after the city was put under quarantine, the mayor estimated that 5 million people had already left.
Where did they go?
An Associated Press analysis of domestic travel patterns using map location data from Chinese tech giant Baidu shows that in the two weeks before Wuhanâs lockdown, nearly 70% of trips out of the central Chinese city were within Hubei province. Baidu has a map app that is similar to Google Maps, which is blocked in China.
Another 14% of the trips went to the neighboring provinces of Henan, Hunan, Anhui and Jiangxi. Nearly 2% slipped down to Guangdong province, the coastal manufacturing powerhouse across from Hong Kong, and the rest fanned out across China. The cities outside Hubei province that were top destinations for trips from Wuhan between Jan. 10 and Jan. 24 were Chongqing, a municipality next to Hubei province, Beijing and Shanghai.
The travel patterns broadly track with the early spread of the virus. The majority of confirmed cases and deaths have occurred in China, within Hubei province, followed by high numbers of cases in central China, with pockets of infections in Chongqing, Shanghai and Beijing as well.
âItâs definitely too late,â said Jin Dong-Yan, a molecular virologist at Hong Kong Universityâs School of Biomedical Sciences. âFive million out. Thatâs a big challenge. Many of them may not come back to Wuhan but hang around somewhere else. To control this outbreak, we have to deal with this. On one hand, we need to identify them. On the other hand, we need to address the issue of stigma and discrimination.â
He added that the initial spread of travelers to provinces in central China with large pools of migrant workers and relatively weaker health care systems âputs a big burden on the hospitals ⌠of these resource-limited provinces.â
Baidu gathers travel data based on more than 120 billion daily location requests from its map app and other apps that use Baiduâs location services. Only data from users who agree to share their location is recorded and the company says data is masked to protect privacy. Baiduâs publicly available data shows proportional travel, not absolute numbers of recorded trips, and does not include trips by people who donât use mobile phones or apps that rely on Baiduâs popular location services.
Public health officials and academics have been using this kind of mapping data for years to track the potential spread of disease.
A group of researchers from Southampton Universityâs WorldPop research group, which studies population dynamics, used 2013-2015 data from Baiduâs location services and international flight itineraries to make a predictive global risk map for the likely spread of the virus from Wuhan.
Itâs important to understand the population movements out of Wuhan before the cityâs lock down, said Lai Shengjie, a WorldPop researcher who used to work at Chinaâs Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
âMaybe they hadnât developed symptoms but could transmit the virus. We need to look at destinations across China and the world and focus on the main destinations and try to prepare for disease control and prevention,â he said.
The last trains left Wuhan the morning of Jan. 23, cutting off a surge of outbound travel that had begun three days earlier, Baidu data shows. Nearby cities rushed to impose travel restrictions of their own. From Jan. 23 to Jan. 26, the 15 cities that Baidu data shows received the most travelers from Wuhan â a combined 70% â all imposed some level of travel restrictions.
Other nations soon followed suit, including the United States, Australia, Singapore, New Zealand and the Philippines, all of which have sharply restricted entry for people coming from China. Others, like Italy and Indonesia, have barred flights.
WorldPop researchers found that travel out of Wuhan has historically ramped up in the weeks before Lunar New Yearâs Day. Based on historical travel patterns, they identified 18 high-risk cities within China that received the most travelers from Wuhan during this period. They then used 2018 flight itineraries from the International Air Transport Association to map the global connectivity of those cities.
They note that travel patterns after restrictions started rolling out on Jan. 23 will not match historical norms and that the cities they identified are initial ports of landing; travelers could have subsequently moved elsewhere.
The top 10 global destinations for travelers from high-risk Chinese cities around Lunar New Year, according to their analysis, were Thailand, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, the United States, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam and Australia.
In Africa, Egypt, South Africa, Ethiopia, Mauritius, Morocco, Nigeria and Kenya topped the list.
The African continent is particularly vulnerable because of the weaker health infrastructure in many countries, and the longer cases go undetected, the more likely they are to spread.
Thus,logical to conclude most people in panic mode escaping Wuhan at the time were not making plans to attend either the Australian Tennis Open and Super Bowlâs main event, which by coincidence ended on the precise same day of Feb 2nd too.
Moving on, you promised to provide me a more comprehensive reply to my other pointsâŚplease do, lol.
I have bookmarked your earlier post. I probably wonât respond to it until Sunday/Monday at the earliest.
Here is more info on travel outside Mainland China per medrrix.org:
The cordon sanitaire of Wuhan is likely to have occurred during the
latter stages of peak population numbers leaving the city before Lunar New
Year (LNY), with travellers departing into neighbouring cities and other
megacities in China, and a high proportion of cases likely travelled with
symptoms at the early stage of the outbreak. Should secondary outbreaks
occur in 17 high-risk secondary cities, they could contribute to seeding the
virus in other highly connected cities within and beyond China after the LNY
holiday. We estimated that 59,912 air passengers, of which 834 (95% UI: 478 -
1349) had 2019-nCoV infection, travelled from Wuhan to 382 cities outside of
mainland China during the two weeks prior to Wuhanâs lockdown. The majority
of these cities were in Asia, but major hubs in Europe, the US and Australia
were also prominent, with strong correlation seen between predicted
importation risks and reported cases seen. Because significant spread has
already occurred, a large number of airline travellers (3.3 million under the
scenario of 75% travel reduction from normal volumes) may be required to be
screened at origin high-risk cities in China and destinations across the globe
for the following three months of February to April, 2020 to effectively limit
spread beyond its current extent.
Sydney-Melbourne for Australia vs LA-NYC for USA are among the highest cities traveled by Chinese.
Point of creating this thread is to illustrate how many people already exposed globally to this virus have already recovered. Seems like travel data leaving Wuhan area cumulatively in early 2020 was in the several million people range. However, the finite # of people exposed -infected never tested before recovering is also likely a big # too. If properly accounted for, that will drive both our countries mortality rates even lower, which are already ranking among the best in the entire world.
Australia, Germany, the USA fared better than most.
Just a very quick note: the Sydney-Melbourne air route (pre-COVID-19 lockdowns of course) was one of the busiest air routes in the world.
Nice try West Aussie, lol:
Check out the top 20, USA airports have #1 (Atlanta), #3 (LAX), #6 (Chicago) , #10 (Dallas), #16 (Denver) and #20 (JFK-NY). You guys donât make it even once, lol.
This article was updated on 5 June 2020, based on figures published on 19 May 2020.
1. Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL)
Acting as the primary international airport serving Atlanta, HartsfieldâJackson Atlanta International Airport is the busiest airport in the world by passenger numbers and second busiest by aircraft movements.
Total passengers: 110,531,300
Compared to 2018: 2.9 per cent increase
2. Beijing Capital International Airport (PEK)
Built to resemble a dragon, Beijing Capital International Airport is the primary international airport serving Beijing and is home to the second largest passenger terminal in the world.
Total passengers: 100,011,438
Compared to 2018: 1.0 per cent decrease
3. Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
Located along the West Coast of the U.S., Los Angeles International Airport is a gateway to multiple international destinations, particularly Asia and the Pacific.
Total passengers: 88,068,013
Compared to 2018: 0.6 per cent increase
4. Dubai International Airport (DXB)
Dubai International Airport is the primary international airport serving Dubai and is used as a service hub for the majority of local airlines.
Total passengers: 86,396,757
Compared to 2018: 3.1 per cent decrease
5. Tokyo Haneda Airport (HND)
One of two primary airports serving the Greater Tokyo Area, Haneda Airport handles significantly more domestic flights, compared to international flights.
Total passengers: 85,505,054
Compared to 2018: 1.7 per cent decrease
6. Chicago OâHare International Airport (ORD)
Located on the Northwest Side of Chicago, Illinois, OâHare International Airport is one of the busiest airports in the world and one of the most significant transportation hubs in the U.S.
Total passengers: 84,649,115
Compared to 2018: 1.7 per cent increase
7. London Heathrow Airport (LHR)
One of six airports located in London, the largest aviation hub in the world, London Heathrow Airport is the UKâs largest airport â welcoming over 80 million passengers in 2019.
Total passengers: 80,888,305
Compared to 2018: 1.0 per cent increase
8. Shanghai Pudong International Airport (PVG)
One of two international airports in the region, Shanghai Pudong International Airport is a major hub in the Chinese aviation industry, serving predominantly international flights.
Total passengers: 76,153,455
Compared to 2018: 2.9 per cent increase
9. Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport (CDG)
Named after a former French president, Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport is the largest international airport in France and also referred to as Roissy Airport.
Total passengers: 76,150,009
Compared to 2018: 5.4 per cent increase
10. Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW)
Located across two counties due to its size, Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport is the largest hub for American Airlines and tenth busiest airport by passenger number.
Total passengers: 75,066,956
Compared to 2018: 8.6 per cent increase
11. Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport (CAN)
The primary airport serving Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong province in China, Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport is Chinaâs largest transportation hub.
Total passengers: 73,386,153
Compared to 2018: 5.2 per cent increase
12. Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AMS)
Acting as the main international airport for the Netherlands, Amsterdam Airport Schiphol is Europeâs best-connected cargo handling airport, with the most direct air destinations.
Total passengers: 71,706,999
Compared to 2018: 0.9 per cent increase
13. Hong Kong International Airport (HKG)
The worldâs busiest airport by tonnes of cargo handled for 10 consecutive years in a row, Hong Kong International Airport is the main airport for the region and handled almost half a million tonnes of cargo more than its closest competitor airport in 2019.
Total passengers: 71,415,245
Compared to 2018: 4.2 per cent decrease
14. Seoul Incheon International Airport (ICN)
The largest airport in South Korea, Incheon International Airport is one of the main transport hubs in Northeast Asia and is the national gateway to the Republic of Korea.
Total passengers: 71,204,153
Compared to 2018: 4.2 per cent increase
15. Frankfurt Airport (FRA)
Located in the fifth largest city in Germany and operated by Fraport, Frankfurt Airport acts as a hub for multiple German and European cargo companies.
Total passengers: 70,556,072
Compared to 2018: 1.5 per cent increase
16. Denver International Airport (DEN)
Generating over $26 billion for the region of Colorado each year, Denver International Airport is the fifth-busiest airport in the U.S., the worldâs largest aviation market.
Total passengers: 69,015,703
Compared to 2018: 7.0 per cent increase
17. Indira Gandhi International Airport (DEL)
Indira Gandhi International Airport serves as the major international aviation hub of the capital city of New Delhi, as well as India as a whole.
Total passengers: 68,490,731
Compared to 2018: 2.0 per cent decrease
18. Singapore Changi Airport (SIN)
A major civilian airport serving Singapore, Singapore Changi Airport is one of the largest transportation hubs in Asia and is the focal point of Singaporeâs status as a world-class aviation hub.
Total passengers: 68,283,000
Compared to 2018: 4.1 per cent increase
19. Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK)
Suvarnabhumi Airport, unofficially known as Bangkok Airport, is one of two international airports serving Bangkok, Thailand.
Total passengers: 65,421,844
Compared to 2018: 3.2 per cent increase
20. John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)
Acting as the primary international airport serving New York City, John F. Kennedy International Airport is operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) and is the sixth busiest airport in the U.S.
Total passengers: 62,551,072
Compared to 2018: 1.5 per cent increase
Perhaps you might want to read my post again.
No need, you said Pre-covid #'s- this was updated 5 Jun 2020 for 2019 and connecting flights are included as traffic through all airportsâŚ
I was speaking about a specific city-city route. I wasnât referring to an airportâs overall air movements.
When I see charts like this from the official covid tracking data Iâm wondering what the heck is he recovery/death stats for the other 2,742,589 cases? They donât tell us! My calculations based on the number of cases and deaths is about 1.5% and for this we are destroying our economy, closing schools and endangering the physical and metal health of our children. This is the politics of leftist Democrats who have no problem heaping misery on the people & the country for political gain.
Covid official tracking data as of 7/24/2020
Confirmed
4,117,913
Deaths
146,596
Recovered
1,228,728
