Just think of how much happier we will all be, including the kids, if we just admit our mistake and move on.

Not liberals, libs.

Well right now I believe the battle is still ideologue. The election of Trump basically put the breaks on left agenda. Now if Hillary had won in 2016 I think it would have crossed ever the line have become permanent fixture in goverment.

Now Trump needs to be careful as not to play into their hands by increasing the power of goverment…but draw back IMO that he hasn’t done much to decrease it either. Thus is why I call him extreme moderate.

Why?

Because Trump still believes in power of goverment. As long as you hold that belief you’re a threat to our freedoms and liberties.

For me…the biggest election in my time will be 2024. That will be finish line, the game that will tip the balance from one ideologue to another.

If democrats win they will attempt to undo everything Trump has done. If repug gets in like Rubio will just prolong the final outcome.

But if we can get old Ted Cruz back with knowledge that he his now…or Rand Paul and possibly Mike Lee…even thou he lacks any and all charisma libs will then have to admit defeat, and start altering/moderating their views.

Right now until I see how things shape up in 2024…my vision/thoughts end there ATM.

The only thing that can really ā– ā– ā– ā–  things up…if Trump loses and republicans lose the senate.

Then everything goes out the window. But I’m not seeing that.

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This is the way I have been feeling of late time to drop the project it’s going to end regardless

It’s gotten much worse since Trump was elected. The solution is clear to me.

They were burning cities down when Obama was president as well. And they will be doing it still if O’Biden Bama wins.

All empires fall. This one will too inevitably.

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Same here. Personally, I think it’s overdue. We stopped being a Union as soon as the Federal Government broke their contract with us.

The breakup needs to be done quick look at what is going on around the country and specifically Seattle, a country can’t be run by mobs. This is Yugoslavia all over again, but atm there still is time for it to be done peacefully through legislature.

The map the SneakSF posted was a good starting point for the breakup. Things will be much more peaceful, a society in itself needs like minded people we are split a split nation living bubbles there is no coming back and the rioting will only get worse until the far right decide enough is enough and compounds the problem 100% As of right now it could be done without the bloodshed.

It was a worthwhile experiment but it has failed, we are now held together only by force instead of common cause and culture.

We have asserted for decads all around the world the right of ā€œself determinationā€ for others so let’s apply it to our own people.

Put it to a national referendum and fifty state ballot initiatives, if states want to leave the union they should be allowed to, if they want to form new unions among the states they should be allowed to.

If those newly formed entities want to remain part of a looser federation of states with less power centralized in one place they should be allowed to work such an arrangement out among themselves.

If not, we’re a nation of hypocrites.

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