Paul Ryan slams Trump in speech about future of Republican Party

Cratic3947 · 2021-05-28T15:29:21.020Z

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

He had the house and the senate and the presidency and did very little to advance conservatism. He’s a liar.

Talking about Trump.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

SixFoot · 2021-05-28T15:31:42.135Z

Cratic3947:

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

“Bad” is relative when it comes to putting America First.

hindsight · 2021-05-28T15:31:59.623Z

Cratic3947:

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

He had the house and the senate and the presidency and did very little to advance conservatism. He’s a liar.

Talking about Trump.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

Then you must be confused for the reason he lost.

Cratic3947 · 2021-05-28T15:32:34.709Z

SixFoot:

Cratic3947:

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

“Bad” is relative when it comes to putting America First.

Just proving my point…

Cratic3947 · 2021-05-28T15:32:57.396Z

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

He had the house and the senate and the presidency and did very little to advance conservatism. He’s a liar.

Talking about Trump.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

Then you must be confused for the reason he lost.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy.

hindsight · 2021-05-28T15:33:44.266Z

Cratic3947:

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

He had the house and the senate and the presidency and did very little to advance conservatism. He’s a liar.

Talking about Trump.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

Then you must be confused for the reason he lost.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy.

You mean you can’t name a bad Trump policy.

Cratic3947 · 2021-05-28T15:36:23.948Z

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

hindsight:

Cratic3947:

He had the house and the senate and the presidency and did very little to advance conservatism. He’s a liar.

Talking about Trump.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy…

Then you must be confused for the reason he lost.

You can’t name a bad Trump policy.

You mean you can’t name a bad Trump policy.

I’m still waiting for you to name a bad Trump policy?

Remember when you thought he was stupid for thinking the virus came from a lab in China? Now you don’t. Because the TV change your mind…

Ben_Natuf · 2021-05-28T15:36:59.714Z

when did i say otherwise? of course decision people in political positions make involve politics… even when they don’t intend them too.

Jezcoe · 2021-05-28T15:38:46.214Z

DougBH:

Jezcoe:

DougBH:

Jezcoe:

How is saying that Trump actually lost the election an attack?

That’s why you think she was removed? Because she said Trump lost the election?

Yes.

She wasn’t removed after the impeachment vote.

The GOP has to hang on to the big lie that the 2020 election was a fraud. It is all they have. It makes what happened on Jan 6th okay.

No. She could have said that she thought Trump lost and that was fine.
She couldn’t keep saying that Trump and 80% of Republicans were a threat to democracy, the Pelosi line, and still lead the Republican party.
There is a difference between disagreeing and attacking.
She was doing the Democrat’s job.

“WASHINGTON (AP) — A combative Rep. Liz Cheney lashed out at leaders of her own Republican Party late Tuesday, taking to the House floor on the eve of her near-certain ouster from a leadership post to warn that former President Donald Trump and his GOP supporters are threatening to “undermine our democracy.”

That is not the same as saying “I think Trump lost the election”, now is it?

The continuing audits and baseless questioning of the validity of the 2020 election is 100% undermining democracy. It is all based on nonsense and fraudulent information.

No good will come from the GOP not understanding why they lost.

Jezcoe · 2021-05-28T15:39:29.582Z

Ben_Natuf:

it was very close until the establishment teamed up to take newt out. that said, newt blew it in fl big time. for those of us who know and supported him, we know what he stood for and meant to convey, for others, honestly, his message there was fairly incoherent. sad, he would have made an outstanding president.

Teamed up?

Newt dropped out in April. He never had a chance.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-05-28T15:42:00.968Z

yes, teamed up, in fl.

SeaManatee · 2021-05-28T15:46:57.681Z

Paul Ryan is trying to create a world where people want to vote for him for president and ignore the one that exists.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-05-28T15:47:40.557Z

audits and election challenges do not “undermine democracy”, they underpin it.

what undermines democracy is blind acceptance and the refusal to find the truth (whatever it may be). perhaps the truth is there was little fraud, perhaps the truth is there was more than usual, perhaps there was a lot. finding out so we can take any actions possible to limit fraud does not undermine democracy, it strengthens it.

Jezcoe · 2021-05-28T16:06:00.675Z

Ben_Natuf:

yes, teamed up, in fl.

Even with Florida he wouldn’t have won. Gingrich won nothing after South Carolina.

Jezcoe · 2021-05-28T16:06:26.062Z

Ben_Natuf:

audits and election challenges do not “undermine democracy”, they underpin it.

When they are looking for bamboo fibers… that is undermining.

TommyLucchese · 2021-05-28T16:14:06.936Z

Jezcoe:

When they are looking for bamboo fibers… that is undermining.

Lol looking for the UV marks Trump supposedly put there.

Guilds · 2021-05-28T16:14:58.469Z

Ben_Natuf:

what undermines democracy is blind acceptance and the refusal to find the truth

Agreed.

The truth has been available for all those that genuinely want to know.

Multiple audits, multiple court decision clearly show that… The only thing that almost changed the outcome of the election, occurred on 1/6. And fortunately, they (and Trump) failed.

TommyLucchese · 2021-05-28T16:16:35.288Z

Ben_Natuf:

audits and election challenges do not “undermine democracy”, they underpin it.

what undermines democracy is blind acceptance and the refusal to find the truth (whatever it may be). perhaps the truth is there was little fraud, perhaps the truth is there was more than usual, perhaps there was a lot. finding out so we can take any actions possible to limit fraud does not undermine democracy, it strengthens it.

You’re a pretty perfect example. You do not for one damned second believe Trump had the election stolen from him and never have but you’re more than willing to go along with this fake ass narrative because you think it benefits you and the Republican Party you’re totally not a member of lol politically.

WuWei · 2021-05-28T16:18:23.246Z

Mod Note

Stop making it personal.

Borgia_dude · 2021-05-28T16:34:46.303Z

Ben_Natuf:

audits and election challenges do not “undermine democracy”, they underpin it.

what undermines democracy is blind acceptance and the refusal to find the truth (whatever it may be).

Yes, what undermines democracy is continually declaring that there is massive fraud, blindly accepting that despite any evidence to the contrary.

Would you agree that Trump declaring massive fraud before any investigations is undermining democracy?