Parental choice v clinical need

Auto129 · 2022-12-11T10:03:00.858Z

Parents are risking the life of a baby with all the legal protection of a person.

Why not deal with the most basic vanilla scenario first?

WuWei · 2022-12-11T12:42:32.072Z

New Zealand court takes guardianship of baby after parents refuse vaccinated...

A critically-ill six-month-old baby will be placed under the temporary guardianship of New Zealand's High Court after his parents refused to allow him to undergo lifesaving heart surgery using blood from people vaccinated against Covid-19.

CNN – 9 Dec 22

Baby whose parents refused blood from vaccinated donors undergoes lifesaving...

A six-month-old baby whose parents refused to allow him to undergo lifesaving heart surgery using blood from people vaccinated against Covid-19 has been operated on in a New Zealand hospital.

The surgery is apparently complete.

I wonder if this is an aboriginal child.

Happyhappyjoyjoy · 2022-12-11T14:33:28.311Z

A valid question.

I guess it comes down to when you think a feotus becomes a child.

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T15:53:07.294Z

Happyhappyjoyjoy:

At what point do the needs of the child override the parents wishes?

Who gets to decide if those wishes are rational and well founded?

Quite a depressing case, where there are no winners. Glad i dont have to be ruling on it.

Why can’t both sides cooperate where unvaccinated blood is used and the doctors perform the life saving surgery?

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T15:55:11.823Z

Munimula1:

Imagine risking your baby’s like for something as stupid as this.

Imagine a medical professional not honoring the parents’ wishes and do the surgery with unvaccinated blood? When you’re a professional, the adjective of “stupid” isn’t strong enough. IMO…it’s negligent.

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T15:57:52.767Z

Happyhappyjoyjoy:

A valid question.

I guess it comes down to when you think a feotus becomes a child.

That is the copout response when it’s apparent, you can’t have it both ways.

Auto129 · 2022-12-11T16:26:15.013Z

Why complicate something simple? They don’t separate or label the blood according to the vaccination status, and they’re not going to start just for this. It ain’t broke.

Munimula1 · 2022-12-11T16:33:43.545Z

Sorry- disagree.

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T16:42:58.711Z

Auto129:

Why complicate something simple? They don’t separate or label the blood according to the vaccination status, and they’re not going to start just for this. It ain’t broke.

I know.
CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCSC) - As Lowcountry blood services navigate a blood shortage, they are also fielding questions about blood donations from those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19.

https://www.live5news.com – 15 Oct 21

Thinking of giving blood? Here’s why they’ll ask about your vaccination status

As Lowcountry blood services navigate a blood shortage, they are also fielding questions about blood donations from those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19.

The medical screening practices for blood donor eligibility after vaccination against several conventional infectious agents are well known to blood transfusion centres worldwide.

PubMed Central (PMC)

Blood donor eligibility after COVID-19 vaccination: the current state of...

The medical screening practices for blood donor eligibility after vaccination against several conventional infectious agents are well known to blood transfusion centres worldwide. Classically, blood donations are contraindicated for four weeks after...

So they consider it going in but not going out?

These parents share a concern held by many and has been going on long enough, that this should have been addressed long ago…period.

Kaiser Health News wrote on Tuesday that health care professionals have been encountering a problematic situation: Some patients who have resisted COVID-19 vaccines are demanding blood transfusions only from unvaccinated donors.

Newsweek – 17 Aug 21

Blood Centers Say Unvaccinated People Refuse Blood From Vaccinated Donors

Health care workers told Kaiser Health News that some unvaccinated patients have requested blood transfusions only from donors who have not been inoculated against COVID-19.

Munimula1 · 2022-12-11T16:47:06.440Z

Smyrna:

These parents share a concern

Right now, they should be more concerned about their infant sick heart.

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T17:08:56.310Z

Munimula1:

Right now, they should be more concerned about their infant sick heart.

Tell me…since the vaccine is linked to cases of myocarditis, how do you think it may effect this heart surgery? Do you think there’s been any studies?

Munimula1 · 2022-12-11T17:09:28.637Z

There is no vaccine left in the blood. Only antibodies.

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T17:10:04.759Z

Munimula1:

There is no vaccine left in the blood. Only antibodies.

…and it has a 95% efficacy too.

Munimula1 · 2022-12-11T17:12:31.121Z

the Guardian – 9 Dec 22

New Zealand ‘Baby W’ case: boy has surgery after court gives doctors...

Six-month-old said to be doing well after court lets doctors perform heart surgery against wishes of parents who wanted only ‘unvaccinated’ blood used

And there you have it. All’s well that ends well.

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T17:28:16.553Z

Munimula1:

And there you have it. All’s well that ends well.

I already followed that and saw where the government took over after the judge ruled it that way. I would not have come to the same conclusion as these parents and would agree with your’s. What is the issue that I question, is the government intervention. That said, above all, I hope the child is ok.

Munimula1 · 2022-12-11T17:30:00.623Z

Smyrna:

the government intervention.

Remind me- are you one of the people here who is pro-government intervention when it comes to banning abortion?

Smyrna · 2022-12-11T17:33:42.515Z

Munimula1:

Remind me- are you one of the people here who is pro-government intervention when it comes to banning abortion?

No. Government…stay out of it. It was sent back for the states to decide for themselves and I agree. Regarding abortion, I think it’s wrong but I am guilty of it…so what can I say?

Guvnah · 2022-12-11T17:47:19.009Z

Maybe the parents should have donated their own blood.

Munimula1 · 2022-12-11T19:07:30.777Z

They wouldn’t necessarily be matches, though that would’ve been a good solution.

Conservative_frk · 2022-12-12T13:43:02.959Z

I’m going to look into this where I live.