Or you're going to do what lib?

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:09:36.846Z

DisturbedGuy:

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Paul_Thomson:

DisturbedGuy:

I don’t think the country is prepared for the consequences of overturning ROE. Women hold a lot more power in this country than they are given credit.

What do you imagine the consequences will be for the SC to admit it has no constitutional mandate to arbitrate federal abortion policy?

I can see women going on strike for one. They will organize on social media and it is a real possibility. They could grind the country to a halt in a week.

On strike? Against who?

Maybe they will withhold sex. Of course, that would only affect lib men. But it would resolve the abortion issue … no more lib women “accidently” getting pregnant.

Many conservative wives agree with Roe. Shoe could fit on the other foot too.

So be it. Let’s get on with the strike.

Guvnah · 2021-12-03T00:12:33.047Z

Samm:

Abortion is not about personhood.

I contend that blacks should be the last people on the planet trying to hide behind the concept of “personhood” to retain their right to kill their own offspring.

They want to go back to the days of slavery to press every other claim of racism and inequity, but somehow they can’t see that they are using antebellum arguments to support abortion.

“They’re not people. They’re property.”

(And further, abortion statistics happen to show an inordinate proportion being carried out on black babies, making it a rather racist institution in and of itself.)

DisturbedGuy · 2021-12-03T00:16:34.314Z

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Paul_Thomson:

DisturbedGuy:

I don’t think the country is prepared for the consequences of overturning ROE. Women hold a lot more power in this country than they are given credit.

What do you imagine the consequences will be for the SC to admit it has no constitutional mandate to arbitrate federal abortion policy?

I can see women going on strike for one. They will organize on social media and it is a real possibility. They could grind the country to a halt in a week.

On strike? Against who?

Maybe they will withhold sex. Of course, that would only affect lib men. But it would resolve the abortion issue … no more lib women “accidently” getting pregnant.

Many conservative wives agree with Roe. Shoe could fit on the other foot too.

So be it. Let’s get on with the strike.

If this happens, I don’t think Republicans are prepared for the consequences. That’s all I’m saying. Roe being upheld has a majority of support in the country.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:24:15.448Z

Enough of the talk. Get 'er done!

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-03T00:45:42.684Z

NJBob:

I can’t agree. States, and entire regions, may effectively outlaw abortions and the impact will be like prohibition. It will drive abortions underground.

Some people will be able to cross the border and seek abortion services where it remains legal, particularly the well to do. No different than prohibition.

This will likely backfire on Republicans big time.

Prohibition was effective across the entire US. Your comparison is not valid.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:47:40.200Z

Effective? By whose account? Al Capone’s?

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-03T00:50:23.202Z

Samm:

Effective? By whose account? Al Capon’s?

ef·fec·tive | \ i-ˈfek-tiv , e-, ē-, ə-
Essential Meaning of effective
1: producing a result that is wanted : having an intended effect
drugs effective in the treatment of a disease = drugs effective in treating a disease = drugs effective against a disease
It’s a simple but effective technique.
He gave an effective speech.
2; of a law, rule, etc. : in use : ACTIVE
The law becomes effective [=the law takes effect; the law will start to be used] next year.
the effective date of the law [=the day when the law starts to be used]
3: starting at a particular time

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-12-03T00:51:29.260Z

I hope it galvanizes the left. We seem rather…torpid these days. Probably because all the leaders have been serving for decades.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:52:33.567Z

ef·fec·tive
/əˈfektiv/
adjective
1.
successful in producing a desired or intended result.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-03T01:05:42.534Z

Sam… I don’t know why you won’t accept that I used the word in a legitimate way. But fine… I’ll keep the peace with you by saying I’m a ■■■■■■■ moron for using the 2nd definition of the word. I should have used a different word so that you wouldn’t piss your pants over my use of the word. Ok?

We good now?

NJBob · 2021-12-03T01:58:53.766Z

I think you’re wrong. It’s completely valid.

Samm · 2021-12-03T02:59:44.098Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

Sam… I don’t know why you won’t accept that I used the word in a legitimate way. But fine… I’ll keep the peace with you by saying I’m a ■■■■■■■ moron for using the 2nd definition of the word. I should have used a different word so that you wouldn’t piss your pants over my use of the word. Ok?

We good now?

Who says I did not accept it? I simply explained the reasoning behind my response.

Yeah, we’re good.

Guvnah · 2021-12-03T03:19:22.259Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

Prohibition was effective across the entire US. Your comparison is not valid.

Every law gets broken. But by and large, people stop doing what is illegal. Most did during prohibition. Some still murder today. Most do not engage in kiddie porn. Some will still get abortions.

Human nature will not change. That does not mean we cannot say as a society that one thing or another is abjectly wrong.

It was misplaced for someone to diminish something as vile as killing one’s own child to something like social drinking – even if prohibition had effectiveness when it was in place.

PurpnGold · 2021-12-03T03:55:32.446Z

Guvnah:

I contend that blacks should be the last people on the planet trying to hide behind the concept of “personhood” to retain their right to kill their own offspring.

“Blacks” were killed in the womb and as grown men/women…neither of which had personhood due to slavery. The difference now… is that born black people have personhood just like born white people.

biggestal99 · 2021-12-03T10:08:05.581Z

Samm:

Personhood is a human construct that can change at the will of lawmakers.

Huh of course it is. Most laws have arbitrary limits built into the law.

Personhood is an utmost constitution question. When does a person begin his or her 14th amendment rights.

Allan

Paul_Thomson · 2021-12-03T11:50:33.293Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

I hope it galvanizes the left. We seem rather…torpid these days. Probably because all the leaders have been serving for decades.

Probably because all the leaders have been self-serving for decades.

Samm · 2021-12-03T22:22:05.682Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

Personhood is a human construct that can change at the will of lawmakers.

Huh of course it is. Most laws have arbitrary limits built into the law.

Personhood is an utmost constitution question. When does a person begin his or her 14th amendment rights.

So apparently you understand that the debate over abortion is not about personhood. I’m glad we got that out of the way.

tzu · 2021-12-03T23:01:17.756Z

Note that Jeanne Shaheen is a corporate Democrat and couldn’t discern a revolution from a rotisserie.

biggestal99 · 2021-12-04T00:42:54.440Z

Samm:

So apparently you understand that the debate over abortion is not about personhood. I’m glad we got that out of the way.

Oh it is. You shall see when SCOTUS delivers its opinion. Personhood matters.

Allan

Samm · 2021-12-04T03:13:12.428Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

So apparently you understand that the debate over abortion is not about personhood. I’m glad we got that out of the way.

Oh it is. You shall see when SCOTUS delivers its opinion. Personhood matters.

No, it doesn’t. Per the current status under Roe v. Wade abortions are allowed without restriction until the fetus is 24 weeks old. That is 15 weeks before the fetus achieves personhood. If the SCOTUS decides that arbitrary date is not sacred, it will not change the fact that personhood is not anointed until birth (whether naturally or surgically.)