Or you're going to do what lib?

Samm · 2021-12-02T23:55:18.380Z

biggestal99:

thinkingman:

thats a yes or no question. you evidently dont know what i believe yet you say this

tsk tsk

So if I am wrong, tell me so and if I am indeed wrong (unlikely]
When does life and personhood begin legally?

That is two questions. The law (in the US) sets personhood at birth or when the baby is removed from the womb. The law does not establish when that person attained life. Science is a bit vague too. The most recent definition is “Life is an organized matter that provides genetic information metabolism.” In turn, the term “genetic information metabolism” means comprising functioning, reproduction, and creation of genes and their distribution among living and non-living carriers of genetic information. Under that definition, human life begins at the moment, the cells contained in the ovum and sperm begin to metabolize and follow the genetic plan that exists within them.

De Gruyter – 1 Jan 19

A new biological definition of life

Here we have proposed a new biological definition of life based on the function and reproduction of existing genes and creation of new ones, which is applicable to both unicellular and multicellular organisms. First, we coined a new term “genetic...

Samm · 2021-12-02T23:59:27.597Z

DisturbedGuy:

Paul_Thomson:

DisturbedGuy:

I don’t think the country is prepared for the consequences of overturning ROE. Women hold a lot more power in this country than they are given credit.

What do you imagine the consequences will be for the SC to admit it has no constitutional mandate to arbitrate federal abortion policy?

I can see women going on strike for one. They will organize on social media and it is a real possibility. They could grind the country to a halt in a week.

On strike? Against who?

Maybe they will withhold sex. Of course, that would only affect lib men. But it would resolve the abortion issue … no more lib women “accidently” getting pregnant.

DisturbedGuy · 2021-12-03T00:03:37.362Z

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Paul_Thomson:

DisturbedGuy:

I don’t think the country is prepared for the consequences of overturning ROE. Women hold a lot more power in this country than they are given credit.

What do you imagine the consequences will be for the SC to admit it has no constitutional mandate to arbitrate federal abortion policy?

I can see women going on strike for one. They will organize on social media and it is a real possibility. They could grind the country to a halt in a week.

On strike? Against who?

Maybe they will withhold sex. Of course, that would only affect lib men. But it would resolve the abortion issue … no more lib women “accidently” getting pregnant.

Many conservative wives agree with Roe. Shoe could fit on the other foot too.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:04:12.456Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

Semantics. Follow the science. Regardless of what name by which you call them, they are as human as you and I.

When do they achieve personhood legally?

What arbitrary line would you be pushing for?

Abortion is not about personhood. Personhood is a human construct that can change at the will of lawmakers. There have been societies that did not award personhood until the age of two. And of course, in many societies, slave keepers did not consider their property to be persons at all.

I am not pushing for any line. You can set the line anywhere you want, provided you have the political support to do so. All I want from you and the rest who want as much latitude as you can get to do abortions, is for you to admit that every abortion performed kills a human being.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:08:25.240Z

biggestal99:

gooddad409:

The comment by the senator seems to be a dog whistle to riot if it doesn’t go their way.

Liberals don’t riot.

It’s against our nature.

Liberals (libs) may not riot, but they sure as heck lie about not rioting.

And that IS their nature.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:09:36.846Z

DisturbedGuy:

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Paul_Thomson:

DisturbedGuy:

I don’t think the country is prepared for the consequences of overturning ROE. Women hold a lot more power in this country than they are given credit.

What do you imagine the consequences will be for the SC to admit it has no constitutional mandate to arbitrate federal abortion policy?

I can see women going on strike for one. They will organize on social media and it is a real possibility. They could grind the country to a halt in a week.

On strike? Against who?

Maybe they will withhold sex. Of course, that would only affect lib men. But it would resolve the abortion issue … no more lib women “accidently” getting pregnant.

Many conservative wives agree with Roe. Shoe could fit on the other foot too.

So be it. Let’s get on with the strike.

Guvnah · 2021-12-03T00:12:33.047Z

Samm:

Abortion is not about personhood.

I contend that blacks should be the last people on the planet trying to hide behind the concept of “personhood” to retain their right to kill their own offspring.

They want to go back to the days of slavery to press every other claim of racism and inequity, but somehow they can’t see that they are using antebellum arguments to support abortion.

“They’re not people. They’re property.”

(And further, abortion statistics happen to show an inordinate proportion being carried out on black babies, making it a rather racist institution in and of itself.)

DisturbedGuy · 2021-12-03T00:16:34.314Z

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Samm:

DisturbedGuy:

Paul_Thomson:

DisturbedGuy:

I don’t think the country is prepared for the consequences of overturning ROE. Women hold a lot more power in this country than they are given credit.

What do you imagine the consequences will be for the SC to admit it has no constitutional mandate to arbitrate federal abortion policy?

I can see women going on strike for one. They will organize on social media and it is a real possibility. They could grind the country to a halt in a week.

On strike? Against who?

Maybe they will withhold sex. Of course, that would only affect lib men. But it would resolve the abortion issue … no more lib women “accidently” getting pregnant.

Many conservative wives agree with Roe. Shoe could fit on the other foot too.

So be it. Let’s get on with the strike.

If this happens, I don’t think Republicans are prepared for the consequences. That’s all I’m saying. Roe being upheld has a majority of support in the country.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:24:15.448Z

Enough of the talk. Get 'er done!

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-03T00:45:42.684Z

NJBob:

I can’t agree. States, and entire regions, may effectively outlaw abortions and the impact will be like prohibition. It will drive abortions underground.

Some people will be able to cross the border and seek abortion services where it remains legal, particularly the well to do. No different than prohibition.

This will likely backfire on Republicans big time.

Prohibition was effective across the entire US. Your comparison is not valid.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:47:40.200Z

Effective? By whose account? Al Capone’s?

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-03T00:50:23.202Z

Samm:

Effective? By whose account? Al Capon’s?

ef·fec·tive | \ i-ˈfek-tiv , e-, ē-, ə-
Essential Meaning of effective
1: producing a result that is wanted : having an intended effect
drugs effective in the treatment of a disease = drugs effective in treating a disease = drugs effective against a disease
It’s a simple but effective technique.
He gave an effective speech.
2; of a law, rule, etc. : in use : ACTIVE
The law becomes effective [=the law takes effect; the law will start to be used] next year.
the effective date of the law [=the day when the law starts to be used]
3: starting at a particular time

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-12-03T00:51:29.260Z

I hope it galvanizes the left. We seem rather…torpid these days. Probably because all the leaders have been serving for decades.

Samm · 2021-12-03T00:52:33.567Z

ef·fec·tive
/əˈfektiv/
adjective
1.
successful in producing a desired or intended result.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-03T01:05:42.534Z

Sam… I don’t know why you won’t accept that I used the word in a legitimate way. But fine… I’ll keep the peace with you by saying I’m a ■■■■■■■ moron for using the 2nd definition of the word. I should have used a different word so that you wouldn’t piss your pants over my use of the word. Ok?

We good now?

NJBob · 2021-12-03T01:58:53.766Z

I think you’re wrong. It’s completely valid.

Samm · 2021-12-03T02:59:44.098Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

Sam… I don’t know why you won’t accept that I used the word in a legitimate way. But fine… I’ll keep the peace with you by saying I’m a ■■■■■■■ moron for using the 2nd definition of the word. I should have used a different word so that you wouldn’t piss your pants over my use of the word. Ok?

We good now?

Who says I did not accept it? I simply explained the reasoning behind my response.

Yeah, we’re good.

Guvnah · 2021-12-03T03:19:22.259Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

Prohibition was effective across the entire US. Your comparison is not valid.

Every law gets broken. But by and large, people stop doing what is illegal. Most did during prohibition. Some still murder today. Most do not engage in kiddie porn. Some will still get abortions.

Human nature will not change. That does not mean we cannot say as a society that one thing or another is abjectly wrong.

It was misplaced for someone to diminish something as vile as killing one’s own child to something like social drinking – even if prohibition had effectiveness when it was in place.

PurpnGold · 2021-12-03T03:55:32.446Z

Guvnah:

I contend that blacks should be the last people on the planet trying to hide behind the concept of “personhood” to retain their right to kill their own offspring.

“Blacks” were killed in the womb and as grown men/women…neither of which had personhood due to slavery. The difference now… is that born black people have personhood just like born white people.

biggestal99 · 2021-12-03T10:08:05.581Z

Samm:

Personhood is a human construct that can change at the will of lawmakers.

Huh of course it is. Most laws have arbitrary limits built into the law.

Personhood is an utmost constitution question. When does a person begin his or her 14th amendment rights.

Allan