Open Borders bill

adroit · 2018-10-09T22:21:49.645Z

DougBH:

Pretty much, if you don’t do something to assure they show up. Interior enforcement is meager, so if you make it past the border you can just disappear. California will at that point consider you a valued member of the community and help you avoid law enforcement.

When utilizing ADTs, court appearance rates are above 99%. This an irrational concern.

kingarthur65 · 2018-10-09T22:21:54.055Z

DougBH:

Pretty much, if you don’t do something to assure they show up. Interior enforcement is meager, so if you make it past the border you can just disappear. California will at that point consider you a valued member of the community and help you avoid law enforcement.

Is that different than what we currently have? Does that mean that doing nothing is ensuring “open borders”?

MichaelScarn · 2018-10-09T22:23:49.050Z

peek-a-boo:

There is nothing to defend.

I actually feel bad for you if you’re not paid to post here.

peek-a-boo · 2018-10-09T22:26:02.179Z

You keep claiming that you feel bad for me. I obviously don’t believe you, but in any case you probably have more to worry about than my feelings.

MichaelScarn · 2018-10-09T22:26:35.943Z

peek-a-boo:

You keep claiming that you feel bad for me. I obviously don’t believe you, but in any case you probably have more to worry about than my feelings.

More mouth frothing from the resident hyperbole master.

SeaManatee · 2018-10-09T22:33:19.812Z

NJBob:

peek-a-boo:

Cynic:

So a President lying to the American people on a daily basis is justified… because some may believe it? OK…

TDS. Plain and simple.

Symptoms;

Frothing at the mouth.

Are you really defending Trump lying to the American people?

Trump only lies to own the libs so it’s cool.

NJBob · 2018-10-09T22:57:31.455Z

SeaManatee:

NJBob:

peek-a-boo:

Cynic:

So a President lying to the American people on a daily basis is justified… because some may believe it? OK…

TDS. Plain and simple.

Symptoms;

Frothing at the mouth.

Are you really defending Trump lying to the American people?

Trump only lies to own the libs so it’s cool.

You mean that only Libs recognize Trump’s lies for what they are, right?

Axxowiz · 2018-10-10T01:32:09.545Z

If you have an estimated 12+ million illegals in your country you have no borders or at the very best they are worthless.

MichaelScarn · 2018-10-10T02:08:03.645Z

Axxowiz:

If you have an estimated 12+ million illegals in your country you have no borders or at the very best they are worthless.

Something like 30 or 40% of undocumented people in this country are visa overstays.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-10-10T02:12:51.063Z

gwhit:

So Trump said there was a bill in congress that is backed by democrats in congress right now. Can some Trump support please link to this or explain why crowd would cheer him on when it was a lie?

PolitiFact | Donald Trump falsely claims there's an 'open borders bill' backed by Democrats

I kinda hope it is an outright lie. Then Libs will be put on notice that if they are gonna lie about us, we will fight fire with fire. There is no high road when fighting vermin.

MichaelScarn · 2018-10-10T02:17:40.579Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

I kinda hope it is an outright lie. Then Libs will be put on notice that if they are gonna lie about us, we will fight fire with fire. There is no high road when fighting vermin.

I believe this is an MLK line.

mobulis · 2018-10-10T02:42:50.727Z

peek-a-boo:

Apocalypto:

In other words, fat donald lied again.
Hyperbole= lies.
The truth isn’t the truth.

Trump-hating = Trump-hating.

Any criticism of trump no matter what it is=trump hating.

DougBH · 2018-10-10T04:26:13.534Z

kingarthur65:

DougBH:

Pretty much, if you don’t do something to assure they show up. Interior enforcement is meager, so if you make it past the border you can just disappear. California will at that point consider you a valued member of the community and help you avoid law enforcement.

Is that different than what we currently have? Does that mean that doing nothing is ensuring “open borders”?

Does not enforcing our immigration laws equate to “open borders”? Absolutely. If you don’t enforce your laws then you might as well do away with immigration laws…i.e. open borders.

Axxowiz · 2018-10-10T05:37:07.025Z

Yep but the number from coming south of the border dwarfs the rest.

Just a few months ago CNBC of all places were showing how big of a problem we have on the border.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/05/crossing-attempts-at-us-southwest-border-triple-in-march-from-year-ago.html

wiley8425 · 2018-10-10T05:43:48.996Z

Only when it’s politically expedient. Remember a few weeks ago when they were whining about kids being in ICE detention camps? Babies dying in captivity? Because Republicans hate foreigners. Obviously.

wiley8425 · 2018-10-10T05:45:01.022Z

Mindless criticism of Trump absolutely. The man can be an idiot at times. Even a broken clock is right twice a day though.

wiley8425 · 2018-10-10T05:57:45.442Z

If you also notice, the article is pointing out failed border crossings resulting in apprehensions. In other words, they’re up from the prior year because we’re actually enforcing immigration laws now so more people are being apprehended when attempting to cross the border illegally instead of merely turned around at the border like the previous administration was doing to make their numbers look good. It also shows that attempts to cross the border illegally are up from a year ago, not down. Another lie from the liberals trying to do away with enforcement of immigration laws.

kingarthur65 · 2018-10-11T00:03:03.306Z

DougBH:

Does not enforcing our immigration laws equate to “open borders”? Absolutely. If you don’t enforce your laws then you might as well do away with immigration laws…i.e. open borders.

Would you consider the current immigration enforcement and past enforcement “open borders”?

wiley8425 · 2018-10-11T00:06:04.357Z

You seem confused. The “past enforcement” was lacking. The law is actually being enforced now. Hence the huge difference in the number of apprehensions on the border this year vs. last year as illustrated in the article that was just posted.

kingarthur65 · 2018-10-11T00:21:19.690Z

wiley8425:

You seem confused. The “past enforcement” was lacking. The law is actually being enforced now. Hence the huge difference in the number of apprehensions on the border this year vs. last year as illustrated in the article that was just posted.

What? Where does the OP state that? I’m confused?? Pffft.
Your statement seems very false to me.
Apprehensions in 2016 - 611,689
Apprehensions in 2017 - 341,061
https://www.usnews.com/news/data-mine/articles/2018-03-13/fewer-crossing-border-fewer-deported-immigration-under-trump

What specifically do you think that Trump’s team is doing differently than Obama’s. I know they started this zero tolerance program but that practice of separating families has been widely shunned. What else is Trump doing to enforce the laws differently.

Before you answer, don’t forget that Obama still holds the moniker of “Deporter in Chief”