That IS what the NRA is for…to defend the 2nd Amendment. Are you in disagreement?
JWK
There is no surer way to weaken, subdue and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.
^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history.
From the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I agree liberty can contain freedom of association. Do you think that trumps public accommodation laws?
A public accommodation law which impinges upon a property owner’s inalienable right to mutually agree in a transaction with a perspective buyer/customer is an assault upon the principles of a free market system. This is not to say there are not specific situations under which the owner of a business or property owner should not serve a buyer/customer. But those situations would involve an emergency, e.g., a customer seeking to purchase medicine in a life/death situation, or, a person seeking to find shelter in a hotel during a severe storm. But to compel a business owner under penalty of law to bake a cake in a manner which is repulsive to the owner is certainly not within the sphere of an emergency.
Seems to me a public accommodation law which is not intended to deal with an emergency situation goes beyond a legitimate use of government force, and is an attack upon our free market system and the inalienable right of all people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations.
JWK
The liberty to succeed or fail at one’s own hand is a socialist’s nightmare and not the American Dream
mobulis:The ACLU is an organization that defends peoples rights …
I don’t recall the ACLU stepping in and defending the right of the Masterpiece Cakeshop owner’s inalienable right to mutually agree in its contract with a sexual deviant couple. As a matter of fact they stepped in to forbid the Cakeshop’s owner to exercise one of mankind’s most fundamental rights ___ the right to mutually agree in one’s contracts and associations.
JWK
They stepped in to defend the right of the customers to NOT be discriminated against.
Mountain_Soldier: Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: mobulis:The ACLU is an organization that defends peoples rights, so why are you against it?
Except for the second amendment right.
What? They should do what the NRA is for? OK, if the ACLU takes up that cause, we can eliminate the NRA or merge them.
I’m just amused how liberals say “that’s what the NRA is for” and then react like the NRA is the spawn of satan.
That IS what the NRA is for…to defend the 2nd Amendment. Are you in disagreement?
Not at all. Just curious as to why so many liberals hate it.
johnwk2:JWK
There is no surer way to weaken, subdue and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history.
From the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
“^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history”?
I’m not sure what that remark is meant to indicate, but let us review some historical facts.
Just for the record, Emma Lazarus, who wrote the words which appears on the Statue of Liberty’s pedestal was a well-known socialist, and the “poem” which she wrote, was suggested to be used to raise funds to build the statue’s pedestal.
Additionally, immigrants coming to America who passed the statue on their way to Elis Island were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a public burden, and on this ground some were refused entry!
The law also required a medical inspection of all immigrants, and if an inspection officer detected an applicant with a disease, especially contagious diseases (TB, venereal disease, etc.) and even mental illness, they were rejected.
So, now that we are more acquainted with historical facts, is it not in the best interests of the United States and her citizens to prevent illegal and undetected border crossings?
JWK
American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax slaves and forced to finance the personal economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.
Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: mobulis:The ACLU is an organization that defends peoples rights, so why are you against it?
Except for the second amendment right.
What? They should do what the NRA is for? OK, if the ACLU takes up that cause, we can eliminate the NRA or merge them.
I’m just amused how liberals say “that’s what the NRA is for” and then react like the NRA is the spawn of satan.
That IS what the NRA is for…to defend the 2nd Amendment. Are you in disagreement?
Not at all. Just curious as to why so many liberals hate it.
No, you’re not.
Tilly_jow: johnwk2:JWK
There is no surer way to weaken, subdue and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history.
From the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”“^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history”?
I’m not sure what that remark is meant to indicate, but let us review some historical facts.
Maybe you should stop playing fast and loose with the facts.
The Statue of Liberty was dedicated in 1886
Ellis Island opened on January 1, 1892
And both of these were on the east coast, almost at the beginning of the 20th century.
There was well over a hundred years of immigration before this. There was more that the northeast coast where immigration occurred.
Maybe you should stop telling this self-serving, false tale of immigration. It’s really boring.
johnwk2: Tilly_jow: johnwk2:JWK
There is no surer way to weaken, subdue and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history.
From the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”“^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history”?
I’m not sure what that remark is meant to indicate, but let us review some historical facts.
Maybe you should stop playing fast and loose with the facts.
The Statue of Liberty was dedicated in 1886
Ellis Island opened on January 1, 1892And both of these were on the east coast, almost at the beginning of the 20th century.
There was well over a hundred years of immigration before this. There was more that the northeast coast where immigration occurred.
Maybe you should stop telling this self-serving, false tale of immigration. It’s really boring.
What I posted is as follows:
Just for the record, Emma Lazarus, who wrote the words which appears on the Statue of Liberty’s pedestal was a well-known socialist, and the “poem” which she wrote, was suggested to be used to raise funds to build the statue’s pedestal.
Additionally, immigrants coming to America who passed the statue on their way to Elis Island were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a public burden, and on this ground some were refused entry!
The law also required a medical inspection of all immigrants, and if an inspection officer detected an applicant with a disease, especially contagious diseases (TB, venereal disease, etc.) and even mental illness, they were rejected.
What “facts” have I played “fast and loose with”?
What have I posted which is “false”?
JWK
Tilly_jow: johnwk2: Tilly_jow: johnwk2:JWK
There is no surer way to weaken, subdue and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history.
From the Statue of Liberty:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”“^^^^ Someone ignorant of our immigrant history”?
I’m not sure what that remark is meant to indicate, but let us review some historical facts.
Maybe you should stop playing fast and loose with the facts.
The Statue of Liberty was dedicated in 1886
Ellis Island opened on January 1, 1892And both of these were on the east coast, almost at the beginning of the 20th century.
There was well over a hundred years of immigration before this. There was more that the northeast coast where immigration occurred.
Maybe you should stop telling this self-serving, false tale of immigration. It’s really boring.
What I posted is as follows:
Just for the record, Emma Lazarus, who wrote the words which appears on the Statue of Liberty’s pedestal was a well-known socialist, and the “poem” which she wrote, was suggested to be used to raise funds to build the statue’s pedestal.
Additionally, immigrants coming to America who passed the statue on their way to Elis Island were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a public burden, and on this ground some were refused entry!
The law also required a medical inspection of all immigrants, and if an inspection officer detected an applicant with a disease, especially contagious diseases (TB, venereal disease, etc.) and even mental illness, they were rejected.
What “facts” have I played “fast and loose with”?
What have I posted which is “false”?
JWK
I think I’ll just let readers compare post and decide for themselves. Your ‘‘record’’ of purity for the country speaks for itself.
Additionally, immigrants coming to America who passed the statue on their way to Elis Island were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a public burden, and on this ground some were refused entry!
The law also required a medical inspection of all immigrants, and if an inspection officer detected an applicant with a disease, especially contagious diseases (TB, venereal disease, etc.) and even mental illness, they were rejected.
So, now that we are more acquainted with historical facts, is it not in the best interests of the United States and her citizens to prevent illegal and undetected border crossings?
Another historical fact… less than 2% of all those who arrived at Ellis Island were denied entry…
johnwk2:Additionally, immigrants coming to America who passed the statue on their way to Elis Island were not granted entry into the United States for a number of reasons. One reason to be rejected was the likelihood of becoming a ward of the state and a public burden, and on this ground some were refused entry!
The law also required a medical inspection of all immigrants, and if an inspection officer detected an applicant with a disease, especially contagious diseases (TB, venereal disease, etc.) and even mental illness, they were rejected.
So, now that we are more acquainted with historical facts, is it not in the best interests of the United States and her citizens to prevent illegal and undetected border crossings?
Another historical fact… less than 2% of all those who arrived at Ellis Island were denied entry…
But the 2% who were denied entry were consider a threat to the “public health” or likely to become a “public charge”, or “an illegal contract laborer”.
Is it not in the best interests of the United States and her citizens to prevent illegal and undetected border crossings by which entry inspections are avoided?
JWK
The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million more illegal entrants and the invasion continues
Seems to me a public accommodation law which is not intended to deal with an emergency situation goes beyond a legitimate use of government force, and is an attack upon our free market system and the inalienable right of all people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations.
You do recognize the historical problems with this position, right?
People can have private clubs and discriminate all they like.
Mountain_Soldier: Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: mobulis:The ACLU is an organization that defends peoples rights, so why are you against it?
Except for the second amendment right.
What? They should do what the NRA is for? OK, if the ACLU takes up that cause, we can eliminate the NRA or merge them.
I’m just amused how liberals say “that’s what the NRA is for” and then react like the NRA is the spawn of satan.
That IS what the NRA is for…to defend the 2nd Amendment. Are you in disagreement?
Not at all. Just curious as to why so many liberals hate it.
No, you’re not.
Actually I am. I asked earlier why the ACLU doesn’t take up firearm cases, and multiple people have stated that there’s an organization that handles them. Yet I’ve only ever seen liberals disparage the NRA on here. Why isn’t the 2nd amendment considered a civil right?
Actually I am. I asked earlier why the ACLU doesn’t take up firearm cases, and multiple people have stated that there’s an organization that handles them. Yet I’ve only ever seen liberals disparage the NRA on here. Why isn’t the 2nd amendment considered a civil right?
Because there’s no reason for it to be. It’s not really a universally recognized right. Only in killville America.
Mountain_Soldier:Actually I am. I asked earlier why the ACLU doesn’t take up firearm cases, and multiple people have stated that there’s an organization that handles them. Yet I’ve only ever seen liberals disparage the NRA on here. Why isn’t the 2nd amendment considered a civil right?
Because there’s no reason for it to be. It’s not really a universally recognized right. Only in killville America.
Not universally recognized? Where in America is the constitution not valid? Where is killville? And what do I use a firearm for?
Tilly_jow: Mountain_Soldier:Actually I am. I asked earlier why the ACLU doesn’t take up firearm cases, and multiple people have stated that there’s an organization that handles them. Yet I’ve only ever seen liberals disparage the NRA on here. Why isn’t the 2nd amendment considered a civil right?
Because there’s no reason for it to be. It’s not really a universally recognized right. Only in killville America.
Not universally recognized? Where in America is the constitution not valid? Where is killville? And what do I use a firearm for?
Yes…Not universally recognized…that should be obvious.
Where in America is the constitution not valid? … outside the US jurisdiction…dah
Where is killville? … Seems anywhere in the 2a jurisdiction.
And what do I use a firearm for?…Don’t know, don’t care.
A public accommodation law which impinges upon a property owner’s inalienable right to mutually agree in a transaction with a perspective buyer/customer is an assault upon the principles of a free market system. This is not to say there are not specific situations under which the owner of a business or property owner should not serve a buyer/customer. But those situations would involve an emergency, e.g., a customer seeking to purchase medicine in a life/death situation, or, a person seeking to find shelter in a hotel during a severe storm. But to compel a business owner under penalty of law to bake a cake in a manner which is repulsive to the owner is certainly not within the sphere of an emergency.
Seems to me a public accommodation law which is not intended to deal with an emergency situation goes beyond a legitimate use of government force, and is an attack upon our free market system and the inalienable right of all people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations.
JWK
The liberty to succeed or fail at one’s own hand is a socialist’s nightmare and not the American Dream
You do recognize the historical problems with this position, right?
People can have private clubs and discriminate all they like.
No. I do not see any problem with what I posted above.
Public accommodation laws which are not intended to deal with an emergency situation go beyond a legitimate use of government force, and are an attack upon our free market system and the inalienable right of all people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations.
JWK
Karl Marx popularized the word “capitalism” __ a word unknown to our founders __ to attack the free market system our founders created. Why do so many talking heads refer to our system as “capitalism” rather than a free market system which our founders created?
reflechissez: Mountain_Soldier: Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: Bodecea: Mountain_Soldier: mobulis:The ACLU is an organization that defends peoples rights, so why are you against it?
Except for the second amendment right.
What? They should do what the NRA is for? OK, if the ACLU takes up that cause, we can eliminate the NRA or merge them.
I’m just amused how liberals say “that’s what the NRA is for” and then react like the NRA is the spawn of satan.
That IS what the NRA is for…to defend the 2nd Amendment. Are you in disagreement?
Not at all. Just curious as to why so many liberals hate it.
No, you’re not.
Actually I am. I asked earlier why the ACLU doesn’t take up firearm cases, and multiple people have stated that there’s an organization that handles them. Yet I’ve only ever seen liberals disparage the NRA on here. Why isn’t the 2nd amendment considered a civil right?
Because you don’t have the right to a gun.
No. I do not see any problem with what I posted above.
Public accommodation laws which are not intended to deal with an emergency situation go beyond a legitimate use of government force, and are an attack upon our free market system and the inalienable right of all people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations.
So we were wrong to stop businesses from discriminating against blacks? We should have thrown the lunch counter protesters in jail?