Oliver North to be new NRA president

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-09T00:09:55.018Z

party-free:

WildRose:

His convictions were overturned for exactly those reasons.

Yes, the reasons being a technicality, not that he didn’t commit the crimes.

Not only that he admitted a ton of the stuff he did. He was almost proud of the laws that he broke.

Law and Order.

Borgia · 2018-05-09T00:53:12.613Z

WildRose:

He sold out of date busted junk and obsolete junk to people opposed to the Ayatollah in hopes of getting hostages back and maybe eventually getting the Ayatollah overthrown.

A very worthwhile gamble.

Can you source this? I looked it up at various news sites and couldn’t find anything about faulty weapons.

WuWei · 2018-05-09T00:53:50.207Z

Strange…

tnt · 2018-05-09T01:26:23.369Z

can you cite a source that backs up this claim of yours?

How dumb were the iranians to buy useless weapons from us?

tnt · 2018-05-09T01:27:15.849Z

And BTW, the weapons given the iranians weren’t from our stock.

WuWei · 2018-05-09T01:34:59.825Z

Uh oh. Somebody’s on a trail.

johnrandolph · 2018-05-09T02:04:44.156Z

madasheck:

My, my, my. Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised at this, but a change was definitely needed with LaPierre’s horrible public image. North will be somewhat of a fix to that, I think. That said, though, it’ll be interesting to see how he handles the job and if he does a better job than LaPierre.

Pretty much kills any interest I had in rejoining the NRA

WildRose · 2018-05-09T06:57:50.103Z

It doesn’t matter who’s stock they came from the same problems existed throughout the TOW 1 line as well as the pre upgrade Hawk systems.

Samm · 2018-05-09T08:23:25.871Z

blueapplepaste:

Just an excuse for them becoming a radical group that is nothing more than lobby for gun industry.

More propaganda. It is obvious that you know nothing about the NRA except what you have been told to believe.

WildRose · 2018-05-09T08:29:27.773Z

At this point as thoroughly debunked as that talking point has been they know it isn’t true but are working on the theory, “If you repeat a lie loud enough and often enough people will begin to believe it’s true”.

reflechissez · 2018-05-09T08:43:08.015Z

WildRose:

At this point as thoroughly debunked as that talking point has been they know it isn’t true but are working on the theory, “If you repeat a lie loud enough and often enough people will begin to believe it’s true”.

It’s an opinion. How can it be "throughly debunked?

WildRose · 2018-05-09T08:46:20.274Z

It’s a statement of fact that is totally unsupportable otherwise it couldn’t have been so thoroughly debunked.

reflechissez · 2018-05-09T08:48:47.034Z

WildRose:

It’s a statement of fact that is totally unsupportable otherwise it couldn’t have been so thoroughly debunked.

Opinions are not facts. Where’s the “thorough” debunking?

WildRose · 2018-05-09T08:56:54.242Z

Laid out fact by fact in the last several threads we had on the subject.

Why bother rehashing it all again when the next time it comes up you’ll once again pretend we haven’t already done so repeatedly.

A fairly decent article on the subject though can be found here.

FactCheck.org – 15 Jan 13

Do Assault Weapons Sales Pay NRA Salaries? - FactCheck.org

A Connecticut Democrat didn’t get his facts straight when he claimed NRA executives “pay their salaries” by taking “a cut” of assault weapons sales. In arguing that the NRA “represents gun manufacturers” and not “gun owners anymore,” Sen. Christopher...

Est. reading time: 5 minutes

The overwhelming majority of the NRA’s money comes from the membership, not from “The Gun Industry” and that hasn’t changed since it’s inception.

They fight for 2nd Amendment Rights, not for those evil producers of death machines.

Do gun manufacturers benefit? Of course they do particularly every time there is another attack on gun rights because that drives people to the stores to buy guns they would otherwise put off of not purchase at all and to stock up on ammo.

Oddly, the more successful the NRA is at protecting 2nd Amendment rights the less it benefits the manufacturers because it is when our rights are under serious threat that sales go through the roof.

Eliminate such challenges to the 2nd and the industry would quickly flatten as it did temporarily following the 2016 election.

reflechissez · 2018-05-09T18:46:52.026Z

WildRose:

Laid out fact by fact in the last several threads we had on the subject.

Why bother rehashing it all again when the next time it comes up you’ll once again pretend we haven’t already done so repeatedly.

A fairly decent article on the subject though can be found here.

Do Assault Weapons Sales Pay NRA Salaries? - FactCheck.org

The overwhelming majority of the NRA’s money comes from the membership, not from “The Gun Industry” and that hasn’t changed since it’s inception.

They fight for 2nd Amendment Rights, not for those evil producers of death machines.

Do gun manufacturers benefit? Of course they do particularly every time there is another attack on gun rights because that drives people to the stores to buy guns they would otherwise put off of not purchase at all and to stock up on ammo.

Oddly, the more successful the NRA is at protecting 2nd Amendment rights the less it benefits the manufacturers because it is when our rights are under serious threat that sales go through the roof.

Eliminate such challenges to the 2nd and the industry would quickly flatten as it did temporarily following the 2016 election.

Why did you post an article about salaries? That wasn’t what was being discussed.

tnt · 2018-05-09T19:02:28.713Z

WildRose:

The overwhelming majority of the NRA’s money comes from the membership, not from “The Gun Industry” and that hasn’t changed since it’s inception.

That’s not true according to Business Insider:

While that is still part of the organization’s core function, today less than half of the NRA’s revenues come from program fees and membership dues.

Business Insider

How The Gun Industry Funnels Tens Of Millions Of Dollars To The NRA

Do you have a source that says otherwise?

Samm · 2018-05-09T19:52:42.346Z

reflechissez:

WildRose:

At this point as thoroughly debunked as that talking point has been they know it isn’t true but are working on the theory, “If you repeat a lie loud enough and often enough people will begin to believe it’s true”.

It’s an opinion. How can it be "throughly debunked?

It was not an opinion, it was a lie. Lies are debunked by the truth.

reflechissez · 2018-05-09T19:54:13.595Z

Sure

(ten char)

Samm · 2018-05-09T20:05:44.693Z

tnt:

WildRose:

The overwhelming majority of the NRA’s money comes from the membership, not from “The Gun Industry” and that hasn’t changed since it’s inception.

That’s not true according to Business Insider:

While that is still part of the organization’s core function, today less than half of the NRA’s revenues come from program fees and membership dues.

This Is How the Gun Industry Funds the NRA

Do you have a source that says otherwise?

A significant amount of their revenue is derived through direct solicitation of donations from the members, above and beyond dues. They also sell advertising in their publications and on television broadcasts. They do not receive “kickbacks” on firearm sales from manufacturers or distributors. There are, however, several gun and outdoor equipment sales outlets who participate in the “roundup” program where the total cost of items purchased is rounded up to the even dollar and the difference (less than $1) is donated to the NRA. But that option is the choice of the customer, making it a private donation, not an industry donation.

Samm · 2018-05-09T20:06:43.688Z

reflechissez:

Sure

(ten char)

Do you have evidence that it was not a lie?