Okies love Obamacare; implement Medicaid expansion

biggestal99 · 2020-07-01T22:17:21.423Z

Janet_Miller:

Seems some on this board don’t know “entitlement” is the term specifically for Medicare and Medicaid.

One either has private health insurance; no health insurance; or an entitlement

And now more okies will be insured.

That is a good thing right.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2020-07-01T22:18:49.454Z

FlameHeart:

I’m sorry people, but I’m really upset with this passage. /end rant

Why? more people will have health insurance and that’s a good thing. Right?

Allan

FlameHeart · 2020-07-01T22:18:51.876Z

Not at all. I agree, healthcare needs to be more affordable, but not through the government. Insurance needs to be more competitive in their marketing and pricing, and it needs to be able to be sold across city and state boundaries.

FlameHeart · 2020-07-01T22:20:25.775Z

It’s not that simple. And by the way, the money is only going to end up going to big name hospitals or state-owned hospitals anyway. Many of the poor live in urban areas, so the money will be funneled back to state hospitals in big cities.

biggestal99 · 2020-07-01T22:24:29.887Z

FlameHeart:

Don’t try to tell me what my state and I want. That’s super offensive

Lol. Super offended because more people will have health insurance.

Not sure why you are offended.

I meant no offense I assure you.

Just very happy another state is on board with providing its citizens with health insurance.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2020-07-01T22:25:43.621Z

FlameHeart:

It’s not that simple. And by the way, the money is only going to end up going to big name hospitals or state-owned hospitals anyway. Many of the poor live in urban areas, so the money will be funneled back to state hospitals in big cities.

And the insured will get needed health treatments. Instead of having to do without.

Allan

FlameHeart · 2020-07-01T22:26:33.723Z

Or they could be penalized. This bill stops the ability for any restrictions to be put on universal healthcare in Oklahoma.

biggestal99 · 2020-07-01T22:28:41.547Z

FlameHeart:

Or they could be penalized. This bill stops the ability for any restrictions to be put on universal healthcare in Oklahoma

Penalized how? Fines? Jailed?

And it’s not a bill.

It’s an expansion of Medicaid via ACA.

Allan

FlameHeart · 2020-07-01T22:33:54.533Z

biggestal99:

Lol. Super offended because more people will have health insurance.

No. I’m offended because statists want the state involved in private matters, and expect everyone else to pay for their healthcare.

Janet_Miller · 2020-07-01T22:34:20.498Z

Okies? Why the snide, belittling condescension?

There is a very nice poster on this board from Oklahoma.

And had it not been for the COVID 19 panic, more of those Oklahomans who voted for it may have still had their jobs and therefore voted no.

And no, I don’t necessarily think having health insurance is such a great thing if it’s difficult to find a provider who accepts it.

Janet_Miller · 2020-07-01T23:02:40.838Z

This whole thread is pot meet kettle crap.

■■■■ the Affordable Care Act. Original Post is snide & condescending & “Okies vote for OCare, so they know what’s good for ‘em.”

Irony of it is the poster is in a state where relatively few physicians even accept Medicaid because it’s a headache to file and reimburses significantly less than private insurance.

But then, that’s par for the course in the northeastern U S, pots meeting kettles. I feel like I’m in a big coffee lounge sometimes.

■■■■ single payer, too. Some of those advocating it claim to be so pro choice, but single payer would take away that choice unless individuals could opt out through private health insurers and providers https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/why-single-payer-would-make-health-care-worse-americans

■■■■ the COVID 19 Panic that has cost so many Oklahomans their jobs. This is just another in a long line of I hate people in more conservative states and see them beneath me threads.

I’m out.

biggestal99 · 2020-07-01T23:21:33.252Z

Here is some more information.

Oklahoma has the Second-highest uninsured rate in the US, and 59% of the uninsured are in the Medicaid coverage gap

Number 2 will be lowered.

Which is tremendous.

Allan

Janet_Miller · 2020-07-01T23:30:06.710Z

The Oklahoman

Oklahoma uninsured rate still second-highest

WASHINGTON — Oklahoma’s rate of residents without health insurance remained at 14.2% in 2018, the second highest rate of uninsured in the country, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released Tu…

According to this source, some who didn’t fit into Medicaid income limit at that time were able to purchase other policies via the exchange. Sorry for the outbursts, but Medicaid is more paperwork to file for one patient & less reimbursement.

IMO Helping employers to purchase plans for their employees and individuals to pick plans that work for them on the state exchange are better solutions.

But then, a majority of Oklahoman voters, probably due at least in part to Pandemic job losses, picked expansion of Medicaid. Best of luck to ‘em.

Eclipze · 2020-07-01T23:47:47.059Z

I forgot Oklahoma existed. Must not be College football season yet.

LucyLou · 2020-07-01T23:50:57.657Z

Seeing as how the federal government shoulders 90% of the Medicaid expansion, personally I would have been fine if they had turned it down.

Who’s going to be signing up for the program? All those poor rural folks who don’t have insurance.

Eclipze · 2020-07-01T23:56:15.373Z

Welcome to the world of insurance and risk pooling. Private or public, it’s the same thing.

wiley8425 · 2020-07-02T01:33:21.015Z

Yes because health insurance should be tied to employment, especially with the number of jobs being eliminated due to COVID-19. Makes perfect sense.

Eclipze · 2020-07-02T02:07:35.264Z

Health insurance tied to employment is one of the dumbest ideas of dumb ass ideas ever thought of.

Forcefield · 2020-07-02T02:58:45.171Z

Janet_Miller:

Their voting for it couldn’t possibly be related to being forced out of their jobs in the COVID 19 Panic & having no other way to pay their medical bills, could it?

It probably is related to that. Covid exposes how awful having your health insurance tied to your employment can be in times of crisis. What’s your point? It’s like saying “oh you only got chemo because you had cancer”. Yeah? So?

biggestal99 · 2020-07-02T09:30:21.381Z

Eclipze:

Health insurance tied to employment is one of the dumbest ideas of dumb ass ideas ever thought of

Back in the day it was a good idea.

Now prolly not

Full disclosure: I have a Cadillac plan though my employer that cost 30k a year. ( I pay 7k share)

Allan