Ok Righties, Healthcare

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Not anymore. Your ilk ruined it.

Sure, I understand the difference. You feel for some odd reason you can replicate Norwegian socialism into a country much more like Venezuela (while importing more Venezuelans daily).

You might be able to do it in Homogemenous Hampshire or Maine, but you need to go outside and look at the rest of the country.

The US doesn’t look like Norway, it looks like Venezuela.

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Do you deny it?

It’s not just illegals here but nearly 50 percent of American citizens are sponging off our systems not paying in to federal income taxes but have increasing demands for more goodies.

I’m against single payer insurance anyway.

No one has a “right” to “free” health care.

Especially those sponging off the system and contributing little or nothing.

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With cost transparency becoming ever easier you will find many health insurance companies will let you search for in network doctors and then provide you an estimated cost based on their contractual agreement with that provider and your benefits and where you are in that plan year with deductible, out of pocket maximum etc.

My wife needs a MRI based on where her doctor wanted her to go, our responsibility is $300. We found an alternative provider who can do that same MRI and our cost is $150.

While thats not exactly what you were saying it is the next best thing.

BTW anyone who needs a diagnostic test go to a free standing facility. That will always be cheaper than using the services of a hospital.

another leftist who thinks fascism requires jackboots.

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Another way to reduce health care costs is to pay doctors not on the traditional fee for service but based on clinical outcomes.

My employer has been piloting this for several years and while at first there was a lot of skepticism from providers those who joined the pilot ended up being very enthusiastic about it . They did not lose out financially and were able to send more time with their patients.

Fee for service encourages a factory floor mentality its all about the number of patients you can crank through your doors each day.

Obviously this model does not work for every doctor but you would be surprised in the growth seen with this new reimbursement model.

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It’s a start, but you have to address the fact we have a shortage of health care itself in order to get real progress.

I used to post stats showing how the US has less doctors and nurses per capita than other civilized countries. It’s still true, and it’s getting worse.

Biggest problem is the AMA. Them basically regulating medicine is like have a fox guard a hen house. They not only decide who gets to teach medicine, but they also run the licensing exams, and just about everything else.

To fix the problem, you need fundamental change.

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Again…a government taxing and getting fees from the county’s natural resources, and spending those funds in ways that benefits the populace is not fascism.

If we did that here…having oil companies run their for profit businesses, and we simply taxed them and charged fees…the oil companies are still making money…employing 1000’s of people, and the people of the country benefit from their country’s resources…
That is well regulated capitalism…not fascism or socialism.

getting in bed with industry is. when the government owns 67% of the company it controls it, but privatizes profit. Thats not capitalism, its fascism, and on the road to another evil, socialism

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Never really thought about the AMA in that way before. Interesting I need to think about that some more. Thanks.

See we can be civil :grinning::grinning::grinning:

They socialize the profits…that money goes to support all the social safety nets, that benefits the citizens of Norway.

And again, this is a natural resource of the country. The people of Norway benefit form the oil revenue, and the company that runs the oil industry also benefits.

In America, all those huge profits go to the company and its shareholders…which are primarily very wealthy individuals…and/or financial institutions.

thats false. The largest share of profit goes to the government in the form of royalties. 16.75% of the gross. oil company profits are much less than that.

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How does that work?

That’s what you get with a union/guild.

Oil companies are taxed and charged fees.

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That are still in the ground without private companies.

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What percentage of profit do you feel the organizations who take 100% of the risk get to keep?

Clinicians working with providers and customers plus claims data.

For example, an asthma patient who has a history of ER admissions, the doctor actively works with the patient to reduce or even eliminate ER visits. The doctor is financially rewarded for helping the patient as well as reducing the cost of ER admissions.

For self funded plans the insurance company has contractual obligations in place that if a the employer helps fund this type of reimbursement they will reduce claim costs by X %.

Been in operation for several years and hugely successful. Employers who have embraced this along with other proactive healthy lifestyle measures for their employees have been able to reduce what they charge their employees or enhance the benefits.

Not legally:

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

You mean there’s no need for for profit health insurance?

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