Obama. The Worst President in American History?

[MidwestIndy]

@MarkyS

I think you underestimate the power of the courts.

M

On the contrary I think it is you that does so, and its part and parcel of why we all see so many judicial activism threads on this site even when it isn’t actually so.

[MarkyS]

Okay, we are going to have to agree to disagree.

M

[MrCapitalism]

TBF he is the best president in Kenyan history though.

[carpe_diem]

It’s cool to be homeless and deficate on the streets in California.

I think we should ask the rest of Americans if they want that for all of America?
I think I know the answer though.

It’s ok, the Democratic Politicians in Washington, will force their Socialist Agenda
on America.

AMERICANS! YOU’RE GOING TO GET SOCIALISM FORCED DOWN YOUR THROATS FROM DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

I wonder if Socialism and the Soviet Union would have a lot in common or not?
hehehe

Communist Democrat Politicians and Russia? Whaaa?

Socialism

Red flag (politics)

Soviet Union

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

@mobulis

@carpe_diem

It’s cool to be homeless and deficate on the streets in California.

I think we should ask the rest of Americans if they want that for all of America?
I think I know the answer though.

It’s ok, the Democratic Politicians in Washington, will force their Socialist Agenda
on America.

AMERICANS! YOU’RE GOING TO GET SOCIALISM FORCED DOWN YOUR THROATS FROM DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

I wonder if Socialism and the Soviet Union would have a lot in common or not?
hehehe

Communist Democrat Politicians and Russia? Whaaa?

Socialism - Wikipedia

Red flag (politics) - Wikipedia

Soviet Union - Wikipedia

SOCIALISM: Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffee pot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.
With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications is paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. The bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and in what amount. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. He saves considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer meets these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker’s compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune. It’s noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC and FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten mortgage and his below-market student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. The roadway is safe and well-marked because the engineer who designed it learned her craft at a government subsidized school.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house, financed by the Farmer’s Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so that Joe wouldn’t need to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit that Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees:“We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

That might be the most comprehensive beat down I’ve ever read here.

[Borgia_dude]

@MarkyS

Alaska, screw you with your teensy population!!

Ok, you are making the argument to preserve the EC because it causes presidential candidates to visit the small states like Alaska. So for your argument to have merit, the candidates, under our current EC, should be visiting Alaska, right?

Are they?

[mobulis]

@carpe_diem

Socialism is a fairy tale.

It looks great on paper, but doesn’t work in reality.

Except where it does.

[mobulis]

@carpe_diem

@mobulis

Socialism is a fairy tale.

It looks great on paper, but doesn’t work in reality.

Except where it does.

Like Venezuela? The 3rd world country, that the Democratic Politicians
want America to become.

I’m not talking about countries in the World that have just “some” aspects
of Socialism within their Countries. I’m talking about Countries who embrace
Socialism as a whole. For all of their policies and Agenda.

Name me some countries that have thrived that have embraced Socialism
as a whole, for all of their policies, and Agenda. Not just one or to things.

Can you name some?

As soon as you name some that are ENTIRELY SOCIALIST.

[carpe_diem]

@mobulis

carpe_diem:

mobulis:

Socialism is a fairy tale.

It looks great on paper, but doesn’t work in reality.

Except where it does.

Like Venezuela? The 3rd world country, that the Democratic Politicians
want America to become.

I’m not talking about countries in the World that have just “some” aspects
of Socialism within their Countries. I’m talking about Countries who embrace
Socialism as a whole. For all of their policies and Agenda.

Name me some countries that have thrived that have embraced Socialism
as a whole, for all of their policies, and Agenda. Not just one or to things.

Can you name some?

As soon as you name some that are ENTIRELY SOCIALIST.

In other words, you’re debating with me over something you know nothing about.
I gotcha. You’re simply spewing what your Democratic Politicians and
Fake News Media tell you to. Fair enough. At least I know where you stand now.

Sandlot: Great Bambino

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[Borgia_dude]

@carpe_diem

I think Obama is definitely the worst president in American History in my lifetime so far,
but Theodore Roosevelt was a pretty big ***** himself.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

[lessright]

All those reasons are why Trump is a successful in politics and why you can’t be a politician. That doesn’t make sense.

[MarkyS]

No, not necessarilly.

They don’t have to visit the state, personally. They can have a huge presence with their people on the ground, with proxies visiting for them and with their ad buys in the state, but they will not.

They will spend all their time and resources trying to please Californians, Floridians, and New Yorkers, instead.

M

[Borgia_dude]

@MarkyS

No, not necessarilly.

They don’t have to visit the state, personally. They can have a huge presence with their people on the ground, with proxies visiting for them and with their ad buys in the state, but they will not.

They will spend all their time and resources trying to please Californians, Floridians, and New Yorkers, instead.

M

Exactly what they do now except spending money on the big swing states.

You’re the one that brought up poor Alaska. Nobody goes there today. Your argument is nullified.

[MarkyS]

NOI.

I just explained why it isn’t.

You’re under the delusion that to have an impact in a state the candidate has to go to the state. NO.

He or she can send proxies, spend money on ad buys and put up a great ground game - all EXPENSIVE things they WOULD NOT need to do if all they needed were three or four states, and all the rest of the states get squat.

M

[Borgia_dude]

@MarkyS

NOI.

I just explained why it isn’t.

You’re under the delusion that to have an impact in a state the candidate has to go to the state. NO.

He or she can send proxies, spend money on ad buys and put up a great ground game - all EXPENSIVE things they WOULD NOT need to do if all they needed were three or four states, and all the rest of the states get squat.

M

From the Anchorage Daily News…

The Trump campaign comes to me and says, ‘How much money should we spend in Alaska?’ My response is, ‘Don’t spend a dime,’" Crawford said in a phone interview. “Alaska is a red state. We will deliver this election to Donald Trump.”

Yep, sounds like the state you chose as an example is getting no attention under the EC because they know it will vote republican.

It seems you are still wrong.

[MarkyS]

HAH!

So, your’re saying that a reporter gave them some advice and that is proof they didn’t do anything in Alaska???

Nice try. And you’re trying to hang your hat on ONE STATE, but in fact all a campiagn would need to do is concentrate on the four or five most populous states, without the EC.

That leaves FORTY FIVE unneccesary to the campaigns - or 48 of we are doing Obama’s state count.

M

[Borgia_dude]

@MarkyS

HAH!

So, your’re saying that a reporter gave them some advice and that is proof they didn’t do anything in Alaska???

Are you under the impression that Trump spent a lot in Alaska? I doubt he did. And here we have a Trump campaign worker giving Trump the exact same advice we told you happens under the current EC system.

Nice try. And you’re trying to hang your hat on ONE STATE, but in fact all a campiagn would need to do is concentrate on the four or five most populous states, without the EC.

You are the one that brought up Alaska so I used what you provided. Now you don’t like it. Ok, let’s try another small state-Wyoming. Any candidates go there? No? Under the EC, why aren’t they going there?

That leaves FORTY FIVE unneccesary to the campaigns - or 48 of we are doing Obama’s state count.

Are you speaking about the swing states in the EC? Cause it really comes down to only a few swing states every election, right? No reason to campaign in California if the result of all electors go to one candidate.

[Borgia_dude]

@carpe_diem

Almost doubling it.

Sounds bad.

Bush didn’t almost double the debt, he more than doubled the debt.

Reagan almost tripled the debt. I’ve yet to see you disparage him for that feat.

[lessright]

If we agree Trump is successful then we also agree that your excuse for not getting into politics is not logical.

[lessright]

@carpe_diem

I’m pretty sure if China called in Americas debt to them this day, that they would own our country 3 times over or more. Thank you Obama, and past Presidents, including the Bush’s!!! lol. Good things Trump is putting the special tax on China.

I’m pretty sure you’re wrong. China doesn’t even hold as much of our debt as Bush 43 added. That is more than 3 times what Clinton added, maybe that the 3X you’re thinking.