Obama. The Worst President in American History?

[MarkyS]

Because the electors will then vote for the person they vote for, but do so as both their representatives and the state’s representatives.

They want their state represented, too.

M

[mobulis]

@MarkyS

Because the electors will then vote for the person they vote for, but do so as both their representatives and the state’s representatives.

They want their state represented, too.

M

States are already represented, remember congress?

[MarkyS]

States need to be represented in the election of the executive branch - not just the legislative branch.

That is precisely why they created the EC in the first place.

M

[mobulis]

@MarkyS

States need to be represented in the election of the executive branch - not just the legislative branch.

That is precisely why they created the EC in the first place.

M

No they don’t.

[SimplyTrying]

@MarkyS

No.

We are a republic - not a democracy.

And because we are we need to be represented by the states we live in and those states need to have influence in the election of the executive.

The EC gives each state influence in the election. Why bother to have states at all, unless they do?

Not really.

[MarkyS]

Well, good luck telling that the the interior of the country.

M

[SimplyTrying]

@MarkyS

Well, good luck telling that the the interior of the country.

M

If you say so.

[TriggerWarning]

Nope. Worst president in history is easily Reagan for starting the idea of trickle down economics which destroyed the middle class and from which we still are suffering.

[Borgia_dude]

@MarkyS

The EC gives each state influence in the election. Why bother to have states at all, unless they do?

The only purpose of having states is to elect Presidents?

[MarkyS]

Where do you see that???

The reason to have the EC is because we have states that need representation in the election of the executive branch.

M

[MarkyS]

No.

The states have never said that Obama was not elected to the presidency.

Whether they like him or not isn’t the issue. They got their EC votes counted in both elections he was in and they didn’t whine that it wasn’t fair because he won.

M

[mobulis]

@MarkyS

Where do you see that???

The reason to have the EC is because we have states that need representation in the election of the executive branch.

M

Why do the states need this?

[MarkyS]

Because they are soveriegn and were promised this to allow themselves to be a part of the union of states that became the United States.

Let me repeat that - union of states - we are actually the United STATES of America, not the nation of America

Each state has the power to have a say in who leads that union and trust me, they are not inclined to give up that power.

M

[mobulis]

@MarkyS

Because they are soveriegn and were promised this to allow themselves to be a part of the union of states that became the United States.

Let me repeat that - union of states - we are actually the United STATES of America, not the nation of America

Each state has the power to have a say in who leads that union and trust me, they are not inclined to give up that power.

M

And that power is one man one vote.

[MarkyS]

No. One man one vote only empowers the individual. It does not empower the states.

M

[mobulis]

@MarkyS

No. One man one vote only empowers the individual. It does not empower the states.

M

States are not alive.

[MarkyS]

SO?

States are sovereign entities that have been promised this power. They will not give it up.
Might as well ask them to just end their existance and meld into one big country and HOPE that the rest of the country respects their needs in their part of it.

Not gonna happen. We created a republic specifically to protect the soveriegn states, as much as anything else, and the sovereignty of the states has served the people of those states - no matter how many people were in those states.

M

[adroit]

@MarkyS

Where do you see that???

The reason to have the EC is because we have states that need representation in the election of the executive branch.

M

This doesn’t follow. Right now, EC votes from a state are considered in the sum total of EC votes to determine the president.

Without the EC, the popular votes from a state are considered in the sun total of popular votes to determine the president.

Why do you think states have representation in one case but not the other?

[MarkyS]

Because the sum total of EC votes has to be gleaned from every state. That means that candidates have to acknowledge and try to persuade every state.

If it was just the highest number of votes from everyone, candidates would campaign in and try to please only the most populous states. That takes away the power of the lesser and smaller population states to be needed for the win.

M

[mobulis]

@MarkyS

Because the sum total of EC votes has to be gleaned from every state. ****.
That means that candidates have to acknowledge and try to persuade every state
If it was just the highest number of votes from everyone, candidates would campaign in and try to please only the most populous states. That takes away the power of the lesser and smaller population states to be needed for the win.

M

Except they don’t.