Guvnah
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I ask again… What’s the point?
What’s the point about someone speaking out against a percieved social injustice? I guess nothing according to you. People should just keep their mouths shut and deal with it. Right?
We’ll add ex presidents to the list of people who aren’t allowed to voice their opinion on political and social topics.
If you are saying that “the other folks” are politicians, businessmen, and the like, then it would be problematic for it to be “funneled through the government”. However, that is not the case if it is “funneled through the government” to people in poverty (though not all uses of this are legitimate, like buying a shiny new car or whatever).
Guvnah
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Key word: “Perceived”.
That’s all it is. Liberalism telling is what is unjust. “You have to pay more taxes.”
Guvnah
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A pittance of “more taxes” gets to the impoverished. Even less after the governmental overhead.
But government sure builds more power with more taxes.
It is a matter of perception. Just as you percieve that the wealthy not wanting to pay more taxes to further their lifestyle at the detriment of others as being perfectly acceptable. You’re welcome to spread that message to whoever will listen.
Altering resource allocation does not increase government power. (Which is not to say all changes are morally permissible!)
Guvnah
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Why did you lie?
You know I didn’t say that, nor imply it, nor have ever given anyone reason to say that.
it’s an abject lie, and you said it.
You disagree with Obama. That is obvious. How do you feel about wealthy individuals who refuse to pay higher taxes in order to further their own lifestyle at the expense of those in need?
There isn’t a Conservative on this forum who isn’t constantly complaining about having to pay taxes. That’s the sole reason they want smaller government and to end social welfare programs.
Basically, they are people without a social conscience, who don’t care about anyone but themselves.
A Progressive being generous with other people’s money by how they vote.
Typical.
Charity is voluntary, not at the proverbial point of a gun. Being forced to give at the office isn’t charity, it’s a Shakedown.
Real charity is an unmerited gift from one to another completely at the discretion of the giver. It promotes only wholesome things, from even letting the giver take care of their neighbor directly without paid government staffers (mercenaries) in between to actually providing a temptation for the receiver to be grateful because they understand it is a gift.
Meanwhile government welfare give none of those advantages. The one forced to pony up is tempted to resent it, and REASONABLY so. The one who receives the unmerited gifts, rather than be tempted to gratitude, are instead presented the idea that people deserve to have others be forced to help them out just because they are there, producing large numbers of entitled ungrateful pukes who often suspect that the system is holding out on them.
Oh, and that old chestnut about charity being inadequate? Pure BS. The government that really tries to give enough has to take even more to pay the staff. Most of the time it is factually inadequate too but that doesn’t matter since it is forced, not voluntary. The old suggestion that charity is inadequate has more to do with people being able to control what they do without the hoards of progressives telling them to (and some being paid to shuffle around the goodies) than if it mets needs. Voluntary is what made it inadequate. If the forced version is adequate or not doesn’t ultimately matter except when it comes time for more class warfare and buying more votes.
How much of a standard did Jesus have would you say?
Guvnah
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That’s no reason to make up stuff about me.
I think they’re hypothetical.
Isn’t that what I’ve already said?
Just curious… Which ones refuse to pay those taxes? Do you think they’re willing to refuse payment – at the risk of government penalty, no less – because they want to do it “at the expense of” those in need?
(And when did opposition to taxes become an EXPENSE to low income people? Right there is a major problem with the liberal ideology.)
But show me such a person, and I’ll comment on him.
Guvnah
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Right there is another fabrication.
Guvnah
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Obama isn’t Jesus.
The question was about Obama. And it’s not the first time it has been asked here yet it remains unanswered.
Don’t deflect.
If you don’t or can’t answer the question, just say so.
Guvnah
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I answered it.
You just don’t like the answer.
I’ll repeat. Your careful wording (which wasn’t Obama’s, BTW) is a hypothetical. But show me such a person, and I’ll comment on him.
I have no problem with other people chiming in on conversations I’m having here with others but in this instance, I need to specify that I was asking Smyrna.
Smyrna’s the religious guy. (You are too though apparently?)
It’s not a deflection. It’s a valid question for Christians. Or rather for Republican Christians. Jesus was a socialist wasn’t he?
You haven’t responded to my responses directly to your questions by the way. Don’t deflect. 
I venture to suggest that he’s using “refuse” in the sense that the wealthy whine to their congressmen, or to Trump, and say “Hey I have to pay too much in taxes. Cut me some slack pal.”
ToT
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Ugh… How much did he drone on about his stupid election night wins? I can’t stand how every time he ever ■■■■■■■ talks anywhere he has to bring up what a wonderful night it was when he won his elections…
It makes him look like such an insecure, pathetic moron! And the way the idiots that go to see him just kiss his ass instead of telling him to get over it already and act like an adult, what the hell is wrong with them?
