Obama attacks wealthy for big houses

AlexMcAlpine · 2018-07-21T14:45:53.629Z

Guvnah:

Deflection.

I think you overuse that accusation.

Why would someone “deflect” - re not answer someone else’s question directly?

Because to do so would be an embarrassment.

Thus - Smyrna brings up the bit about God “possibly” planting the fake evidence to bring the whole “faith” thing into play. Then, when people want to know if he actually believes that himself, and asks a simple yes or no question, to answer it would be embarrassing (and therefore, clearly, “yes”) and so he deflects.

Now, in what’s been happening here in this thread, why would I deflect?

Anyone who reads the two articles regarding Obama and his comment about the wealthy and taxes knows that he said that he’d be willing to pay more taxes because he would still be rich, and he would like other wealthy people to also agree to pay a few percentage points more in taxes (he did not specify how many) but still be rich.

(We did get off into a sidetrack about the wealthy and charity, rather than taxes, and I guess I may have started that with my simple question to Smyrna about Jesus, but that only happened because instead of getting a simple answer I kept being accused of deflection and didn’t understand why since there was no deflection. )

So, again I deny any deflection in this thread because there was no need to deflect. If Obama had said that and then someone had been able to chime in with a link in which Obama had whined about having to pay too much in taxes, then someone who was dishonest with themselves might have tried to deflect.

However, I don’t do that. I try to be fair and see both sides and present links supporting all statements (tho sometimes I forget and because I still can’t access the edit function, I can’t correct myself in the appropriate thread.)

So…a long-winded post to point out that your accusation of “deflection” is without merit!

Eagle-Keeper · 2018-07-21T15:47:44.189Z

Jesus is a religious figure who according to those whom adhere to certain writings said many other things as well. Are you advocating for government to adhere to all those teachings?

Eagle-Keeper · 2018-07-21T15:51:44.510Z

I’m curious, how ethnically diverse is the neighborhood he lives in?

Guvnah · 2018-07-21T15:54:46.510Z

AlexMcAlpine:

I think you overuse that accusation.

You see it a lot because you overuse deflection.

I corrected your misuse of a snippet of scripture about rich people.

Your statement about fossils had nothing to do with the post you addressed. It has nothing to do with this thread.

It was a deflection. (It also demonstrated your ignorance of scripture.)

You could have said, “Oh. I never knew the full statement from Jesus included that extra part.” You could have welcomed the correction so that you wouldn’t misuse that piece of scripture in the future. But instead you deflected the correction to fossils.

Guvnah · 2018-07-21T15:55:35.540Z

AlexMcAlpine:

Thus - Smyrna brings up the bit about God “possibly” planting the fake evidence to bring the whole “faith” thing into play. Then, when people want to know if he actually believes that himself, and asks a simple yes or no question, to answer it would be embarrassing (and therefore, clearly, “yes”) and so he deflects.

Why are you going there in this thread?

Janet_Miller · 2018-07-21T17:29:48.611Z

It is none of anyone’s damn business how the wealthy, or anyone for that matter, spends money THEY earned. ■■■■ on Obama & he is wife both.

Janet_Miller · 2018-07-21T17:38:30.265Z

■■■■ the wealthy paying higher taxes. Everyone should pay some small % of their yearly income in taxes for the services we all use.

Maybe Obama would be happier in a part of the world, like Romania, where the state confiscated by force & where middle & upper class were forced out of their homes & into worker apartments, unable to take even their pets with them. Animals were left as strays.

www.imdb.com Hendriksen, Lance. This actor has filmed quite a bit there.

■■■■ Obama. He needs to fade into obscurity & not even run for dog catcher.

BornAgainChristian · 2018-07-21T17:40:33.985Z

He proved his leftist credentials. More progressives will worship him now.

BornAgainChristian · 2018-07-21T17:44:38.356Z

Its what you say that counts, not what you do.

Like Hollywood, all those rapist perverts were card carrying Democrats always lecturing everyone on women’s rights.

As long as they publicly touted the party line, it didn’t matter what they did in their private lives.

So Obama is just like them. More leftists will pine for him now…yearn for his return to make even more money, but say the right things…

Janet_Miller · 2018-07-21T17:45:18.909Z

Nope. Neither is “helping” the less fortunate without encouraging them to search for jobs, or look into any voc rehab offered in their states to acquire some marketable skills, if that’s an issue.

People like Obama seek to build up the rhetoric until wealth is forcefully confiscated & redistributed to people who don’t know what to do with it.

Look at Zimbabwe, where the population starved as farms owned by white families for generations were forcefully seized & redistributed to black families who knew nothing about farming.

Janet_Miller · 2018-07-21T17:48:44.984Z

It’s probably not very diverse.

I don’t know about where you live, but where I live, those who really hate the wealthy, from young college students to elderly, aren’t bery diverse, either.

They’re a pretty homogeneous group, really. The vast majority are white.

Janet_Miller · 2018-07-21T17:52:13.758Z

People like Obama will never follow their own advice.

They should all get together & run a coffee shop. They’re very pot meet kettle.

And, with even Obama’s senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, acknowledging the number of jobs that were lost under her former boss, that coffee shop would probably go out of business pretty quickly.

Eagle-Keeper · 2018-07-21T17:56:13.680Z

It is often the case that many of these self righteous wealthy liberals live in very exclusive predominantly white neighborhoods and their kids or grandchildren attended exclusive private schools.

AlexMcAlpine · 2018-07-21T18:14:45.356Z

Guvnah:

You see it a lot because you overuse deflection.

I corrected your misuse of a snippet of scripture about rich people.

Your statement about fossils had nothing to do with the post you addressed. It has nothing to do with this thread.

It was a deflection. (It also demonstrated your ignorance of scripture.)

You could have said, “Oh. I never knew the full statement from Jesus included that extra part.” You could have welcomed the correction so that you wouldn’t misuse that piece of scripture in the future. But instead you deflected the correction to fossils.

As I have already explained, I never deflect.

People “deflect” when they don’t want to answer a question that hits at the heart of what they’re talking against. In this case there was no need to deflect anything about what Obama said!

Thanks.
Yes it does. You accuse me of deflection I explain what deflection really is. I tried to explain it very simply.
No, it was not a deflection, because I have no need to deflect anything. Let me repeat: this thread discusses Obama talking about taxes and him saying that he’d be willing to pay more in taxes.

If someone had provided a link that proved that in the past Obama had whined about having to pay more in taxes, then the necessity to deflect and ignore that inconvenient fact would be seized upon by people who do deflect, rather than those who face facts - even inconvenient ones, head on.

I was giving an example of what is and is not deflection.

Are we talking about the eye of the needle here??? (That’s a rhetorical question - don’t answer it!)

Anything I said was an example of what is and what is not deflection. For an in-depth discussion of religion, yeah, that should be in the religion folder.

And I think there’s nothing more to be said on anything in this thread so I’m done.

We’ll cross swords in others, I’m sure.

AlexMcAlpine · 2018-07-21T18:19:10.351Z

AlexMcAlpine:

Yes it does. You accuse me of deflection I explain what deflection really is. I tried to explain it very simply.

Oh, for the edit function!

Yes it does. You accuse me of deflection. I used that example to explain what deflection really is. It could have been anything but Smyrna’s “possibility that God deliberately deceives us” comment was fresh in my mind so I used that.

I tried to explain it very simply - what is and is not deflection is very simple.

Now I’m done!

Konssurvative1 · 2018-07-21T19:58:00.849Z

Ya know I was just joking with my Jeeze Alex. When I’m at my computer…i use quotes. Easier with a mouse.

Forcefield · 2018-07-21T20:12:08.798Z

You got him now!

Samm · 2018-07-21T20:15:57.092Z

AlexMcAlpine:

Samm:

Again … what evidence does he have that anyone is wealthy because they refuse to pay taxes?

Obama did not use the word “refuse.”

Don’t confuse Obama’s statements with the guy’s you’re arguing with.

Tell that to the guy I was arguing with.

Auto129 · 2018-07-21T20:44:15.532Z

Why look at Zimbabwe? Why not look back to when America was “great”? Those post-war decades that conservatives are desperate to emulate today. What did the tax brackets look like then?

Janet_Miller · 2018-07-21T21:52:24.872Z

No idea.

What were they? And who even referenced those decades in this thread?

Everyone should, IMO, have some dog in the show, pay some small percentage of their income, say 2 or 3 percentage of one year’s income, in taxes for services available to all.

And I reiterate: It is none of anyone’s business if or how the wealthy—Obama included among them—spend their money. If they want to end hunger with it, or save an animal, or bail little Johnny Rotten out of jail, it really is their business.