NYC's Democrat Leadership will allow foreign nationals to vote in city elections

[johnwk2]

@Supreme_War_Pig

So, is NYC a sanctuary city? If so, it seems that it was accomplished without the votes of the non citizens, correct?

And again, why is your assumption that they will vote as a block if they even bother to vote at all?

I am not mocking the naturalization process, I am questioning the reverence you seem to have for it. If one of these folks supports sanctuary cities today, and gets naturalized, why would they not still support it tomorrow?

You made the absurd indication that you do not see the harm that can be done by local public policies. I established the harm that can be done by pointing to sanctuary cities.

In regard to your snarky remark about my “reverence for the naturalization process”, I explained its purpose and agree with it. Do you?

I am still waiting for someone to explain their desire to allow foreigners to vote in our elections who have not gone through our naturalization process, or taking its civics and English test. . . federal, state or local.

What is the rational for allowing foreigners to vote in local elections and not in federal or State elections?

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story

[Samm]

@johnwk2

I am still waiting for someone to explain their desire to allow foreigners to vote in our elections who have not gone through our naturalization process, or taking its civics and English test. . . federal, state or local.

No. That explanation has been given several times. What you are still waiting for … obsessed with … is for everyone to concede to you that they are wrong and you are right.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@johnwk2

I established the harm that can be done by pointing to sanctuary cities.

Yeah, we get it. You have a hobby horse about sanctuary cities. You have yet to explain why this is a specific harm linked to non citizens voting

@johnwk2

still waiting for someone to explain their desire to allow foreigners to vote in our elections who have not gone through our naturalization process,

And we are still waiting for you to explain why this is essential for voting locally. Do you think it is some sort of mystical process that will imbue the person with civic virtue?

@johnwk2

What is the rational for allowing foreigners to vote in local elections and not in federal or State elections?

Slippery slope fallacy. Why don’t you table this until if/when somebody, somewhere starts seriously talking about it.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Supreme_War_Pig

Slippery slope fallacy. Why don’t you table this until if/when somebody, somewhere starts seriously talking about it.

The Dems are saying now that they are looking at the President separately federalising elections or changing election laws by EO, since they can’t get it done via forcing the omnibus BBB through congress. The slippery slope construction is underway.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Paul_Thomson

@Supreme_War_Pig

Slippery slope fallacy. Why don’t you table this until if/when somebody, somewhere starts seriously talking about it.

The Dems are saying now that they are looking at the President separately federalising elections or changing election laws by EO, since they can’t get it done via forcing the omnibus BBB through congress. The slippery slope construction is underway.

Yeah, we’ll see.

Don’t you have a link to post?

[johnwk2]

@Supreme_War_Pig

@johnwk2

I established the harm that can be done by pointing to sanctuary cities.

Yeah, we get it. You have a hobby horse about sanctuary cities. You have yet to explain why this is a specific harm linked to non citizens voting

Your snarky attitude does not make for a productive discussion.

But is is nice to see we now agree that local elections and local public policy can and do effect citizens living outside a locality in question.

I still do not understand why so many want to allow foreigners to vote in our elections … local, state or federal, and dilute the vote of American citizens.

“[T]he right of suffrage can be denied by a debasement or dilution of the weight of a citizen’s vote just as effectively as by wholly prohibiting the free exercise of the franchise.” Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U. S. 533, 555 (1964).”

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@johnwk2

Your snarky attitude does not make for a productive discussion.

Neither does your inability to explain the harm caused by non citizens voting on local issues.

You keep railing away, but can only cite the naturalization process, as if that’s the end in and of itself.

So I’ll put it to you straight: what is the real harm caused by non citizens voting on local issues?

[johnwk2]

@Supreme_War_Pig

@johnwk2

Your snarky attitude does not make for a productive discussion.

Neither does your inability to explain the harm caused by non citizens voting on local issues.

You keep railing away, but can only cite the naturalization process, as if that’s the end in and of itself.

So I’ll put it to you straight: what is the real harm caused by non citizens voting on local issues?

Asked and answered. You simply do not pay attention to what is posted. One undesirable effect is diluting the vote of American citizens.

Now, why do so many want to allow foreigners to vote in our elections, local, state or federal, and dilute the vote of American citizens?

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@johnwk2

One undesirable effect is diluting the vote of American citizens.

Asked. But most certainly not answered.

Why is it that you assume the local interests of non citizens will be so opposed to the interests of citizens? They all live in the same community, see the same problems, and have the same interests.

[johnwk2]

You have no credibility in this thread until you respond, in a legitimate manner, to THIS POST

JWK

[Samm]

@johnwk2

Your snarky attitude does not make for a productive discussion.

Neither do your eye rolls and face palm memes.

[Samm]

@johnwk2

You have no credibility in this thread until you respond, in a legitimate manner, to THIS POST

JWK

It’s not for you to say whether I have credibility in this thread or not. But given that, I’m not concerned that you find my posts not to be credible. I answered every question in that post, but for reasons known only to yourself, you refuse to acknowledge that fact. If you don’t like my answers, perhaps you should drop your obsession and quit asking the same questions over and over expecting a different answer. It ain’t gunna happen bucko.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Supreme_War_Pig

Yeah, we’ll see.

Don’t you have a link to post?

Heard it on Fox News this morning.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Paul_Thomson

@Supreme_War_Pig

Yeah, we’ll see.

Don’t you have a link to post?

Heard it on Fox News this morning.

Oh, I see.

Well, I heard on CNN that FOX is full of crap. MSNBC later confirmed it.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Supreme_War_Pig

Oh, I see.

Well, I heard on CNN that FOX is full of crap. MSNBC later confirmed it.

Thanks for confessing your trusted news sources.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Paul_Thomson

@Supreme_War_Pig

Oh, I see.

Well, I heard on CNN that FOX is full of crap. MSNBC later confirmed it.

Thanks for confessing your trusted news sources.

Right back at’cha Champ👍

[Paul_Thomson]

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@Paul_Thomson

@Supreme_War_Pig

Well, I heard on CNN that FOX is full of crap. MSNBC later confirmed it.
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Thanks for confessing your trusted news sources.

Right back at’cha Champ👍

I’m not ashamed of trusting Fox News. What stories have they got wrong? Are you not ashamed of trusting CNN and MSNBC?

[johnwk2]

@Samm

@johnwk2

You have no credibility in this thread until you respond, in a legitimate manner, to THIS POST

JWK

It’s not for you to say whether I have credibility in this thread or not. But given that, I’m not concerned that you find my posts not to be credible. I answered every question in that post, but for reasons known only to yourself, you refuse to acknowledge that fact. If you don’t like my answers, perhaps you should drop your obsession and quit asking the same questions over and over expecting a different answer. It ain’t gunna happen bucko.

There you go again, obfuscating, deflecting and avoiding a productive dialogue.

You have no credibility in this thread until you respond, in a legitimate manner, to THIS POST

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story

[Supreme_War_Pig]

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@Supreme_War_Pig

@Paul_Thomson

@Supreme_War_Pig

Well, I heard on CNN that FOX is full of crap. MSNBC later confirmed it.
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Thanks for confessing your trusted news sources.

Right back at’cha Champ👍

I’m not ashamed of trusting Fox News. What stories have they got wrong? Are you not ashamed of trusting CNN and MSNBC?

I actually don’t have cable, and haven’t watched cable news for literally decades.

[Paul_Thomson]

@Supreme_War_Pig

@Supreme_War_Pig

I’m not ashamed of trusting Fox News. What stories have they got wrong? Are you not ashamed of trusting CNN and MSNBC?

I actually don’t have cable, and haven’t watched cable news for literally decades .

So, you lied?

@Supreme_War_Pig

Well, I heard on CNN that FOX is full of crap. MSNBC later confirmed it.