NYC's Democrat Leadership will allow foreign nationals to vote in city elections

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@Call_me_Ishmael

The story you present is not true.

It is nothing but the narrative that you have been told to repeat.

“Bless your heart.”

WW

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Not only does the NYC law require they be here legally, but that they are legally legible to work.

All the illegals are made legal after caught by the border patrol and given a date to show up at an immigration court. In fact … they turn themselves in and instantly become “documented” and “legal” just to get the freebies. Don’t pretend they all came through the standard legal immigration channels. That is deceptive.

Ignoring your attempt at a disparaging remark, since my comments were not deceptive.

The NYC Council law requires that one be a “Lawful Permanent Resident” (LPR) which has a very specific meaning.

An illegal alien entering the company - ah - illegally. Would not qualify for as an LPR. They may receive a temporary status pending their court case and even may be able to work legally, but that does not make them an LPR.

WW

Someone lied to you. Here is the bill.

Int 1867-2020 Version:
A
Name: Allowing lawful permanent residents and persons authorized to work in the United States in New York city to participate in municipal elections.
Type: Introduction Status: Enacted (Mayor’s Desk for Signature)

Logical meaning of “AND” is that both conditions must be met to qualify.

They must be LPR AND eligible work.

That does not mean “OR” in which satisfyingly either condition independently qualifies.

Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.

WW

[Call_me_Ishmael]

Nonsense. There are two nouns there… not one with two qualifiers. Someone lied to you.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

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Not only does the NYC law require they be here legally, but that they are legally legible to work.

All the illegals are made legal after caught by the border patrol and given a date to show up at an immigration court. In fact … they turn themselves in and instantly become “documented” and “legal” just to get the freebies. Don’t pretend they all came through the standard legal immigration channels. That is deceptive.

Ignoring your attempt at a disparaging remark, since my comments were not deceptive.

The NYC Council law requires that one be a “Lawful Permanent Resident” (LPR) which has a very specific meaning.

An illegal alien entering the company - ah - illegally. Would not qualify for as an LPR. They may receive a temporary status pending their court case and even may be able to work legally, but that does not make them an LPR.

WW

Someone lied to you. Here is the bill.

Int 1867-2020 Version:
A
Name: Allowing lawful permanent residents and persons authorized to work in the United States in New York city to participate in municipal elections.
Type: Introduction Status: Enacted (Mayor’s Desk for Signature)

Logical meaning of “AND” is that both conditions must be met to qualify.

They must be LPR AND eligible work.

That does not mean “OR” in which satisfyingly either condition independently qualifies.

Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.

WW

Here’s part of the actual text.

You really want to believe the narrative, don’t you! But the narrative that you repeat is deceptive.

Municipal voter. The term “municipal voter” means a person who is not a United States citizen on the date of the election on which he or she is voting, who is either a lawful permanent resident or authorized to work in the United States, who is a resident of New York city and will have been such a resident for 30 consecutive days or longer by the date of such election, who meets all qualifications for registering or pre-registering to vote under the election law, except for possessing United States citizenship, and who has registered or pre-registered to vote with the board of elections in the city of New York under this chapter.

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@STODR

how will they determine they are here illegally?

Not only does the NYC law require they be here legally, but that they are legally legible to work.

Therefore Google the Federal I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification Form. It has a complete list of acceptable documents for citizens and legal non-citizens in terms of work authorization.

You (or anyone) hired for employment in the last 35 years would have had to complete one.

WW

Really so no illegals work in NYC?. No such thing as fake SS# or ID in NYC.

[WuWei]

Did the US get to be the country it is by allowed illegals from failed states a voice in government?

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@Call_me_Ishmael

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Not only does the NYC law require they be here legally, but that they are legally legible to work.

All the illegals are made legal after caught by the border patrol and given a date to show up at an immigration court. In fact … they turn themselves in and instantly become “documented” and “legal” just to get the freebies. Don’t pretend they all came through the standard legal immigration channels. That is deceptive.

Ignoring your attempt at a disparaging remark, since my comments were not deceptive.

The NYC Council law requires that one be a “Lawful Permanent Resident” (LPR) which has a very specific meaning.

An illegal alien entering the company - ah - illegally. Would not qualify for as an LPR. They may receive a temporary status pending their court case and even may be able to work legally, but that does not make them an LPR.

WW

Someone lied to you. Here is the bill.

Int 1867-2020 Version:
A
Name: Allowing lawful permanent residents and persons authorized to work in the United States in New York city to participate in municipal elections.
Type: Introduction Status: Enacted (Mayor’s Desk for Signature)

Logical meaning of “AND” is that both conditions must be met to qualify.

They must be LPR AND eligible work.

That does not mean “OR” in which satisfyingly either condition independently qualifies.

Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.

WW

My mistake.

I remember reading it was both before and therefore assumed the quote above where it say “and” was valid.

If fact it appears the law allows for being a LPR “or” eligible to work.

But of course one must be legally recognized to be able to work.

WW

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how will they determine they are here illegally?

Not only does the NYC law require they be here legally, but that they are legally legible to work.

Therefore Google the Federal I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification Form. It has a complete list of acceptable documents for citizens and legal non-citizens in terms of work authorization.

You (or anyone) hired for employment in the last 35 years would have had to complete one.

WW

Really so no illegals work in NYC?. No such thing as fake SS# or ID in NYC.

Those using a fake SS# or ID in NYC are committing a crime and are not legally eligible to work and in fact are committing a crime.

So no they wouldn’t be eligible to vote.

WW

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@WuWei

Did the US get to be the country it is by allowed illegals from failed states a voice in government?

No. One must be legal to be eligible to vote or work or a LPR.

WW

[WuWei]

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@WuWei

Did the US get to be the country it is by allowed illegals from failed states a voice in government?

No. One must be legal to be eligible to vote or work or a LPR.

WW

Did the US get to be the country it is by allowing “LPRs” from failed states to have a voice in government?

[STODR]

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@STODR

how will they determine they are here illegally?

Not only does the NYC law require they be here legally, but that they are legally legible to work.

Therefore Google the Federal I-9 Employment Eligibility Verification Form. It has a complete list of acceptable documents for citizens and legal non-citizens in terms of work authorization.

You (or anyone) hired for employment in the last 35 years would have had to complete one.

WW

Really so no illegals work in NYC?. No such thing as fake SS# or ID in NYC.

Those using a fake SS# or ID in NYC are committing a crime and are not legally eligible to work and in fact are committing a crime.

So no they wouldn’t be eligible to vote.

WW

I didn’t ask if they were eligible I asked how would poll workers know they are illegal and not eligible? They already beat the I9 hurdles you tried to use.

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@WuWei

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@WuWei

Did the US get to be the country it is by allowed illegals from failed states a voice in government?

No. One must be legal to be eligible to vote or work or a LPR.

WW

Did the US get to be the country it is by allowing “LPRs” from failed states to have a voice in government?

Yes. British, Italians, Irish, etc… All early LPR’s.

WW

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@STODR

I didn’t ask if they were eligible I asked how would poll workers know they are illegal and not eligible? They already beat the I9 hurdles you tried to use.

If they beat the I-9 requirements as you say, then the new law has no impact since they already beat the system and can just register as a regular citizen.

It would have no impact on poll workers, that screening is done as part of the voter registration process. Once they are registered, they just show up on the voter rolls which is what the poll worker deals with.

WW

[WuWei]

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Yes. British, Italians, Irish, etc… All early LPR’s.

Are they all failed states? Did they vote as “LPRs”?

[WuWei]

An I-9 does not make one a citizen.

[STODR]

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@STODR

I didn’t ask if they were eligible I asked how would poll workers know they are illegal and not eligible? They already beat the I9 hurdles you tried to use.

If they beat the I-9 requirements as you say, then the new law has no impact since they already beat the system and can just register as a regular citizen.

WW

That’s not true they can look like legal immigrants or citizens.

But thanks for the admission illegals can vote. This just makes it look like more illegals(illegally classified as legal immigrants) can vote.

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@WuWei

An I-9 does not make one a citizen.

Never said it did.

The I-9 and the Federal Employment Eligibility Verification Form. However it does list the documents that citizens or those legally eligible to work can present to demonstrate that eligibility.

WW

[WuWei]

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@WuWei

An I-9 does not make one a citizen.

Never said it did.

The I-9 and the Federal Employment Eligibility Verification Form. However it does list the documents that citizens or those legally eligible to work can present to demonstrate that eligibility.

WW

Yeah, you kind of did.

and can just register as a regular citizen.

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@STODR

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I didn’t ask if they were eligible I asked how would poll workers know they are illegal and not eligible? They already beat the I9 hurdles you tried to use.

If they beat the I-9 requirements as you say, then the new law has no impact since they already beat the system and can just register as a regular citizen.

WW

That’s not true

I agree, your premise was not true.

When registering to vote the validity of document is checked so I agree, those using a fake SS# or ID would find it difficult to register to vote.

WW

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@WuWei

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@WuWei

An I-9 does not make one a citizen.

Never said it did.

The I-9 and the Federal Employment Eligibility Verification Form. However it does list the documents that citizens or those legally eligible to work can present to demonstrate that eligibility.

WW

Yeah, you kind of did.

and can just register as a regular citizen.

That was in references to claims about simply having a fake SS# or ID. It made not claim as to the I-9 proving citizenship. The assumption is that the fake SS@ or ID demonstrates citizenship, not the I-9 proving it.

I didn’t inject fake SS# or ID into the thread.

WW