Gaius
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So, did rape spike nationally?
In the past six months or since Covid?
When someone is released without bail the crime is still processed…….
Jezcoe
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Smash and grabs is not an example of crime going up.
Shoplifting and petit larceny has steadily dropped since the 90’s with a spike during the pandemic and a decrease since then.
For the past 30 years all crime has been going down, but the perception is that more crime than ever before exists… so why does this disconnect exist?
The high visibility and dramatic nature of smash and grabs make for good television and that form of organized crime makes it look like shoplifting and larceny is rising when the facts are smash and grabs are a small percentage of instances of retail theft and instances of retail theft have been declining.
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Jezcoe:

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Jezcoe:
Actually no.
Overall violent crime has been steadily decreasing for years. The 90’s were much more violent on almost every metric than it is now.
And post pandemic… crime continues to fall.
The U.S. crime rate is still dropping, FBI data shows
But that doesn’t sell fear and fear sells
Ok. THINK ABOUT THIS: I don’t know how old you are, I am 59. Within my lifetime I have observed crimes that were virtually unheard of being committed at such numbers, they are now considered common. For example: Smash and grabs. Now I realize that social media has allowed for everything to be instantly broadcast around the world, but even within my lifetime, TV news has been around that allowed for fairly fast communication to the public of events. So it isn’t just social media reporting more smash and grabs, they are exponentially increasing across our country. You can’t credibly deny this. If you do deny this, then I’ll continue to amuse myself with my usual sarcastic Lib bashing and you can carry on proving my point by your denials
!
So let’s try something different ok? I’ll forgo my sarcasm if you will provide some meaningful answers to my questions and I’ll provide meaningful answers to yours. Deal?
I will assume you are ok with this, so I’ll start: If smash and grabs are increasing as I assert, what, if anything, does this say to you regarding our nature and our consideration of the lives of other people?
I have to leave here for awhile, but I will come back to this…
Smash and grabs is not an example of crime going up.
Shoplifting and petit larceny has steadily dropped since the 90’s with a spike during the pandemic and a decrease since then.
For the past 30 years all crime has been going down, but the perception is that more crime than ever before exists… so why does this disconnect exist?
The high visibility and dramatic nature of smash and grabs make for good television and that form of organized crime makes it look like shoplifting and larceny is rising when the facts are smash and grabs are a small percentage of instances of retail theft and instances of retail theft have been declining.
So, denial it is. This is the reason I ridicule you guys… You make no distinction between someone sticking a candy bar in their pocket and walking out of a 7-eleven and 30 young people smashing in a jewelry store front and getting away with 50 thousand dollars worth of jewelry. All the same right? One store being stolen from on one occasion so both are just petty shoplifting… Nothing can be done so why bother calling the police or even reporting it. Kids will be kids after all…
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Jezcoe
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Optrader:

Jezcoe:

Optrader:

Jezcoe:
Actually no.
Overall violent crime has been steadily decreasing for years. The 90’s were much more violent on almost every metric than it is now.
And post pandemic… crime continues to fall.
The U.S. crime rate is still dropping, FBI data shows
But that doesn’t sell fear and fear sells
Ok. THINK ABOUT THIS: I don’t know how old you are, I am 59. Within my lifetime I have observed crimes that were virtually unheard of being committed at such numbers, they are now considered common. For example: Smash and grabs. Now I realize that social media has allowed for everything to be instantly broadcast around the world, but even within my lifetime, TV news has been around that allowed for fairly fast communication to the public of events. So it isn’t just social media reporting more smash and grabs, they are exponentially increasing across our country. You can’t credibly deny this. If you do deny this, then I’ll continue to amuse myself with my usual sarcastic Lib bashing and you can carry on proving my point by your denials
!
So let’s try something different ok? I’ll forgo my sarcasm if you will provide some meaningful answers to my questions and I’ll provide meaningful answers to yours. Deal?
I will assume you are ok with this, so I’ll start: If smash and grabs are increasing as I assert, what, if anything, does this say to you regarding our nature and our consideration of the lives of other people?
I have to leave here for awhile, but I will come back to this…
Smash and grabs is not an example of crime going up.
Shoplifting and petit larceny has steadily dropped since the 90’s with a spike during the pandemic and a decrease since then.
For the past 30 years all crime has been going down, but the perception is that more crime than ever before exists… so why does this disconnect exist?
The high visibility and dramatic nature of smash and grabs make for good television and that form of organized crime makes it look like shoplifting and larceny is rising when the facts are smash and grabs are a small percentage of instances of retail theft and instances of retail theft have been declining.
So, denial it is. This is the reason I ridicule you guys… You make no distinction between someone sticking a candy bar in their pocket and walking out of a 7-eleven and 30 young people smashing in a jewelry store front and getting away with 50 thousand dollars worth of jewelry. All the same right? One store being stolen from on one occasion so both are just petty shoplifting… Nothing can be done so why bother calling the police or even reporting it. Kids will be kids after all…
It’s not denial… it’s reality.
Smash and grabs are part of organized crime rings.
There are arrests of those rings all the time.
Smyrna
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Jezcoe:
Smash and grabs is not an example of crime going up.
Shoplifting and petit larceny has steadily dropped since the 90’s with a spike during the pandemic and a decrease since then.
For the past 30 years all crime has been going down, but the perception is that more crime than ever before exists… so why does this disconnect exist?
The high visibility and dramatic nature of smash and grabs make for good television and that form of organized crime makes it look like shoplifting and larceny is rising when the facts are smash and grabs are a small percentage of instances of retail theft and instances of retail theft have been declining.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mayor Adams…is that you? ^^^^^^^^^^^^
NYC serious crimes hit levels unseen in two decades last year even as Mayor Adams claims ‘crime is down’
The shocking new figures from an NYPD internal report, which was obtained by The Post, shows that the overall major offenses in 2023 jumped up to 127,111 over the last few months, surpassing the se…
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YOSUP
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They are classifying the crimes wrong to make violent crimes look like they are being reduced. Its all one giant smoke and mirrors show.
Jezcoe
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Crime is down.
What has had an uptick in the falling crime rate since the pandemic are felony assault and car theft. Which are what the article that you posted is about.
40% of the felony assault charges are domestic violence disputes. So since Domestic violence is on the rise basically everywhere since the pandemic it makes sense that they would go up here two.
The other basket of where more felony assault is coming from is within the MTA. Since the crack down on fare evasion began there has been more felony assault charges related to violence against police officers and MTA employees. They are felony charges because even if it would be classified as misdemeanor assault… it is a felony to assault police and MTA employees.
As far as car thefts… car thefts have been ticking up nationwide since 2019.
All that being said… Mayor Adams is a terrible mayor and I would not be surprised that before the end of his term there is a scandal involving bags of cash.
Hell I felt pretty safe in New York. It’s way safer than any southern city like Memphis or New Orleans.
And of course, like in California, as long as shoplifters don’t take more than 950.00, they can walk out without consequence. Police don’t even come out and store “guards” or other employees are forbidden to interfere in any way. When you decriminalize crimes, crime rates magically go down. Libs are amazed at how effective Newsome and Hochul have been at reducing crime! Geniuses those people!!
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Jezcoe
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Has this been done nationally?

Jezcoe:

Optrader:

Jezcoe:

Optrader:

Jezcoe:
Actually no.
Overall violent crime has been steadily decreasing for years. The 90’s were much more violent on almost every metric than it is now.
And post pandemic… crime continues to fall.
The U.S. crime rate is still dropping, FBI data shows
But that doesn’t sell fear and fear sells
Ok. THINK ABOUT THIS: I don’t know how old you are, I am 59. Within my lifetime I have observed crimes that were virtually unheard of being committed at such numbers, they are now considered common. For example: Smash and grabs. Now I realize that social media has allowed for everything to be instantly broadcast around the world, but even within my lifetime, TV news has been around that allowed for fairly fast communication to the public of events. So it isn’t just social media reporting more smash and grabs, they are exponentially increasing across our country. You can’t credibly deny this. If you do deny this, then I’ll continue to amuse myself with my usual sarcastic Lib bashing and you can carry on proving my point by your denials
!
So let’s try something different ok? I’ll forgo my sarcasm if you will provide some meaningful answers to my questions and I’ll provide meaningful answers to yours. Deal?
I will assume you are ok with this, so I’ll start: If smash and grabs are increasing as I assert, what, if anything, does this say to you regarding our nature and our consideration of the lives of other people?
I have to leave here for awhile, but I will come back to this…
Smash and grabs is not an example of crime going up.
Shoplifting and petit larceny has steadily dropped since the 90’s with a spike during the pandemic and a decrease since then.
For the past 30 years all crime has been going down, but the perception is that more crime than ever before exists… so why does this disconnect exist?
The high visibility and dramatic nature of smash and grabs make for good television and that form of organized crime makes it look like shoplifting and larceny is rising when the facts are smash and grabs are a small percentage of instances of retail theft and instances of retail theft have been declining.
So, denial it is. This is the reason I ridicule you guys… You make no distinction between someone sticking a candy bar in their pocket and walking out of a 7-eleven and 30 young people smashing in a jewelry store front and getting away with 50 thousand dollars worth of jewelry. All the same right? One store being stolen from on one occasion so both are just petty shoplifting… Nothing can be done so why bother calling the police or even reporting it. Kids will be kids after all…
It’s not denial… it’s reality.
Smash and grabs are part of organized crime rings.
There are arrests of those rings all the time.
Some smash and grabs are. Many are the result of flash mobs called together on social media. Doesn’t change the point. They’re up because of Lib soft on crime policies. Get arrested- no problem because of no bail laws in NY. Same for felony assaults. A group of illegals assault a NY police officer? Let them go immediately so they can literally give the middle finger on national TV to America. Come to America illegally? No problem, in NY you get put up in a luxury hotel at tax payer expense. How’s that working out for you there in NY by the way? I hear Adams is concerned about a teensy shortfall. I know, since you aren’t directly affected you couldn’t care less. It’s on TV that new gangs, like from Venezuela are setting up shop in NY. No problem because Jezcoe and his family haven’t been affected yet right? And let’s not forget, it’s only a measly 8 million or so illegals that Biden has let in to the US. Hell wth Kate Steinly, Laken Riley and the children being raped and assaulted by Joe’s illegals right? After all what’s a few needless murders that could easily be prevented, they’re just Americans! And so what if 100 thousand Americans are dying each year due to Chinese manufactured fentanyl that’s being distributed across our border by Mexican drug cartels.
But crime is down because my exalted leaders say so and they wouldn’t lie!!! (Try watching a different news source besides the view or Rachel Maddow)
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Great point! Hell with Californians! What happens in California stays in California! No reason the rest of America should be concerned. It’s not like anybody of California mentality could ever actually gain a seat of power in America and push to have such silly laws inflicted on everyone else! No need to be concerned until it actually happens because unpopular or stupid laws are so much easier to undo than prevent!
Man, you’re on fire today!!
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Jezcoe
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Most of them are organized crime rings. And people are getting caught and getting charged.
A lot of petit larceny is to feed ringleaders up the chain that then resell the items on Amazon. They just busted a suburban white woman in California for fencing $8 million in stolen goods. She lived in a multi million dollar mansion. This organized crime has zero to do with changing the dollar value of what constitutes a felony.
People outside of NYC don’t seem to realize the political effect that the mismanagement of Riker’s Island and the very long pretrial detainment times that throw people into a black hole for doing very little. Like the story of Kellef Browder who at 16 was arrested by the police because they accused him of stealing a book bag. He spent three years in Rikers on pre trial detainment… two of those years in solitary.
His case never went to trial.
He committed suicide after he was released.
Stories like Browder’s is what is driving the politics of keeping people out of Rikers for petit offenses.
Those cops picked a fight and then they arrested a guy who wasn’t even involved.
The rest of your post is right wing fear porn.
Jezcoe
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Great point! Hell with Californians! What happens in California stays in California! No reason the rest of America should be concerned. It’s not like anybody of California mentality could ever actually gain a seat of power in America and push to have such silly laws inflicted on everyone else! No need to be concerned until it actually happens because unpopular or stupid laws are so much easier to undo than prevent!
Man, you’re on fire today!!
Is crime going down in red areas because of better and more severe law enforcement and appearing to go down in blue areas because of lax enforcement where it isn’t reported or is crime simply going down everywhere?
Jezcoe
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There are for real very dangerous parts of NYC.
But it is a very large city.
I don’t think that most people understand just how big and diverse this city is.
Yeah I didn’t understand how big it was till I went there.
A single New York City block is like the same size as 6 New Orleans blocks. It’s really really big.
But I found it to be safer than any southern city. I grew up in Jackson, MS and that place can be terrifying if you go down the wrong street. I didn’t feel that way in NYC. Some parts were sketchy for sure but I didn’t feel like I’d be murdered just for going down the street. Which having spent a good portion of my life in Jackson I can tell you that are certain roads if you go down then you will probably be murdered. Like Daniel Lake Blvd which is pretty infamously bad and lots of murders happen there. Or Woodrow Wilson Blvd where daylight car jackings are an everyday occurrence. Which is ironic because that is where all the hospitals are at.
Or my least favorite place on the planet, Memphis. That place is the literal definition of a ■■■■ hole. And it sucks because I love the huge numbers of concerts they have there. But it’s always a nerve wracking place to go to.
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Gaius
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According to the Council on Criminal Justice in-depth surveys consistently show reports to police of shoplifting are down, but actual shoplifting is up, way up, up 63% in NYC alone vs pre-pandemic.
It has simply become so commonplace retailers are no longer bothering to report it to police.
Let’s try and address one thing at a time. Smash and grabs are up- WAY up. This is a fairly recent type of crime. Like a lot of other types of crime. I do not remember hearing of smash and grabs growing up through the 70s and 80s. Now, it is brazen and common. Before discussing WHO is doing these crimes ( which is a crime in itself) how about first discussing HOW this country got to a point that fosters this type of behavior? The HOW is very closely related to the WHO.
SOMETHING has changed dramatically in the last 40 years. If, as you seem to assert, society is improving, I would think we would see a corresponding drop not only in crime, but across every other social problem as well. There ISN’T a drop in societal problems, crime included, at least not any consistent measurable way that can be attributed to government policy or action. You seem, like a good Lib, to believe that more government programs and more tax money can reduce or solve social issues and crime, yet history demonstrates otherwise. What makes Democrat policies, in regards to ANY issue, but especially crime since that’s the discussion topic, a better choice for society?