Nuclear power struggles to be competitive in wholesale electricity markets

Kerry and his Greenie Wernie dreamers should get lotsa miles outta dis

Proposed in 2007. They think they might be able to start construction and have it up and running by 2030. That’s a big might. Several environmental wacko groups are still fighting it.

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Thats why factory built SMR’s are the way forward. Once they are permitted you won’t need separate permitting for every installation. At least not crazy permitting like a traditional nuclear plant anyway.

BERLIN, Aug 21 (Reuters) - German Economy Minister Robert Habeck ruled out on Sunday extending the lifespan of the country’s three remaining nuclear power plants in order to save gas, saying it would save at most 2 percent of gas use.

The fact that Germany is having to supply France with electricity due to a drop in nuclear output is another factor at play.

The situation in France, where nearly half its reactors are offline because of corrosion problems and maintenance, showed how problematic the technology was though, [German Chancellor Olaf Scholz] said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-minister-rules-out-keeping-nuclear-plants-running-save-gas-2022-08-21/

This is the perfect opportunity for nuclear power to save the day and get back in the public’s good graces.

But French reactors had to choke in the clutch.

Disappointing situation all around.

so we attack the sun with nuclear waste… what happens when the sun strikes back with more global warming?

This is the answer.

I figured there would be that one guy in the article:

So much for Science! and Sunspot AR3038 that caused 100% of this summer’s excess heat. It’s a pseudo religion at best, but really just another pathetic cult. :person_shrugging:

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What?

Impossible to argue in favor of keeping German reactors open when half of France’s fleet went down because of some welds. It’s a reminder of how many points of failure nuclear plants have–right at the moment you’re asking for money to extend their life.

The same money that could be spent on cheaper alternatives, or just paying high prices for foreign gas without the maintenance headaches.

You can’t drive a standard, can you.

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I’ll gap a Hellcat with a 10-speed and no clutch.

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I’ll raise you more than two deviations above the norm

And I shall raise five Quadrajet carburetors. Because that is how many are necessary to get the parts for one half way working Quadrajet.

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there’s one problem

Don’t those investments contribute to the safety of nuclear power?

Do you have a problem with the ongoing requirements themselves or the cost of the requirements?

If the government paid for them would you still consider them to be a problem?

paying exorbitant amounts for a liscence is not an ā€œinvestmentā€, its a cost;

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There are other questions, including whether PG&E will qualify for a share of $6 billion the Biden administration set aside to rescue nuclear plants at risk of closing. The state could back out of the deal if the reactors don’t qualify for federal dollars.

State should just pay up regardless. The reactor is obviously needed. Energy security pays for itself.

lol… we need electricity, but if the federal governmet won’t pay for it we refuse to… what exactly? refrigerate?

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nuclear-share-energy-generation-falls-lowest-four-decades-report-2022-10-05/

The levelised cost of energy - which compares the total lifetime cost of building and running a plant to lifetime output - fell to $36 per megawatt hour (MWh) last year for solar photovoltaic from $359/MWh in 2009, while the cost for wind fell to $38/MWh from $135/MWh, the report showed.

However, nuclear power costs rose by 36% last year to $167/MWh from $123/MWh in 2009.

Nuclear power can’t compete, and shouldn’t have to. They can work as infrastructure projects for the sake of national security.

It’s utterly depressing too. Because I’m an enormous fan of nuclear power. Always have been.

But I’ve been doing my own reading on the economy of nuclear power and you’re right. On the private side it doesn’t make a lot of sense to expand the fleet when solar, wind, and natural gas are so dramatically cheaper on both start up and lifecycle costs.

It’s depressing. But when I’m wrong I admit that I’m wrong.

Maybe the new generation IV and V reactors on the drawing boards will make it much cheaper in the future. I hope.

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