Nothing to see here folks. I am sure they are bluffing (Taiwan)

WuWei · 2022-06-13T17:13:54.490Z

Auto129:

JayJay:

What we have to do is understand the post-World War II world order is finished and the post Cold War world order is finished. US hegemony is coming to an end.

Is there any way to convince the electorate that this transition doesn’t necessarily lower their standard of living?

By not lowering their standard of living.

WuWei · 2022-06-13T17:15:19.765Z

JayJay:

Precisely the opposite

Military and economic hegemony is unsustainable.

To root for it to continue is to root against American interests.

If we don’t work to transition away from it…it will be done for us. We won’t like how that happens.

To contribute to it before it’s ready is immiseration.

WuWei · 2022-06-13T17:15:34.432Z

Decouple.

JayJay · 2022-06-13T17:49:30.685Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

Precisely the opposite

Military and economic hegemony is unsustainable.

To root for it to continue is to root against American interests.

If we don’t work to transition away from it…it will be done for us. We won’t like how that happens.

To contribute to it before it’s ready is immiseration.

The immiseration happens by holding on too long.

Auto129 · 2022-06-13T18:36:44.224Z

Is it that simple if Iran starts acting up? Can the electorate watch them clown around their neighborhood without getting itchy for war?

WuWei · 2022-06-13T18:39:53.864Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

Precisely the opposite

Military and economic hegemony is unsustainable.

To root for it to continue is to root against American interests.

If we don’t work to transition away from it…it will be done for us. We won’t like how that happens.

To contribute to it before it’s ready is immiseration.

The immiseration happens by holding on too long.

Orrrr, by burying it too soon.

WuWei · 2022-06-13T18:40:27.132Z

Auto129:

Is it that simple if Iran starts acting up? Can the electorate watch them clown around their neighborhood without getting itchy for war?

Iran has nothing to do with us.

TheRedComet · 2022-06-13T19:50:14.004Z

We are returning to a pre World War I world.

Policy makers would be wise to study that period heavily so we don’t make the same mistakes they did and destroy an entire generation in the process.

Samm · 2022-06-13T21:45:21.946Z

Gaius:

Ben_Natuf:

chinas navy has no chance againt ours and niether does their airforce. their advantage is in numbers of personell. they know that. why would they engage us on our terms? thinking they would is naive. if the war stayed conventional it would not be just against china, but china and russia. it obviously won’t be russian troops europe has to worry about. in a conventional war the eu could conquer russia tomorrow. if it stayed conventional, the only chance we would have is to establish complete air and sea superiority early in the conflict. and that pretty much gaurantees, it won’t stay conventional.

China would look to use its navy to block the malacca strait, to impede energy shipments into Taiwan, Japan, s Korea, and the Phil., to stop trans pacific shipping. to render the Panama canal useless to us.

It’s kinds of an open secret.

Yeah, but it’s not like you have to sail all around the southern end of a large continent to bypass the Malacca Strait.

Ben_Natuf · 2022-06-13T22:17:57.181Z

and they would fail miserably

JayJay · 2022-06-13T23:25:47.791Z

I know.

It takes a special kind of leadership to know when to transition.

Which is why empires usually fall instead of soft land.

WuWei · 2022-06-13T23:59:17.689Z

If it dies, it dies. You don’t murder it.

e7alr · 2022-06-14T02:53:08.099Z

It is the economic hegemony that fueled the out sized (compared to the majority of the rest of the world) standard of living.

e7alr · 2022-06-14T02:56:15.219Z

But forward military installations in the Solomon Islands could force commercial traffic to have to go around the South Side of Australia.

Rodeo · 2022-06-14T05:05:01.990Z

bigtwnvin:

J’Biden hasn’t a clue as to what is going on around him. His inept handlers and politicized military “leaders” too gutless to soil their woke cred will be the ones to ■■■■ that pooch.
Keep in mind, whoever is in charge, are the same dumbasses that engineered the Afghanistan debacle and armed the Taliban with billions in US weaponry and materiel.
BUT there are no more mean tweets?

I m so glad our Congress is focusing on a protest that got out of hand a year a d a half ago. Now that’s the stuff that really matters…

The damn morons in Dc should all be fired.

The mismanagement of our affairs coming from the dimwits of both parties is damn near criminal.

I m at the point where the entire political class needs to be replaced with common sense normal citizens interested in serving their country and then going back home. No more if this “the great senator with 50 years of distinguished service” ■■■■■

Samm · 2022-06-14T06:02:26.761Z

e7alr:

But forward military installations in the Solomon Islands could force commercial traffic to have to go around the South Side of Australia.

During a war perhaps, but not otherwise. During a war (with China) shipping around the entire world would be threatened.

Auto129 · 2022-06-14T08:31:04.848Z

It did, but what about now? A stance that puts us in a position to jump between China and Taiwan will likely lower our standard of living.

If it happens tomorrow, ten years from now, or ten years ago, Americans undoubtedly become poorer as a result.

e7alr · 2022-06-14T10:49:30.787Z

Taiwan is China’s short game, not their long game. National leaders like Xi don’t engage in massive arms build ups for defensive reasons.

Bill.in.PA · 2022-06-14T11:07:17.469Z

The Biden policy is to speak loudly and carry a small stick.

Biden needlessly provoked the war in Ukraine. He has sent large portion of NATO’s weapon stocks to Ukraine, and they were supposed to destroy the Russian army. Instead the Russian military is winning on the ground and is destroying or capturing the weapons.

What is left to send to Taiwan at this point?

e7alr · 2022-06-14T11:37:19.437Z

China is now becoming even more aggressive about foreign warships transiting the Taiwan straits. The US will ignore China’s claim that the straight is PRC territorial water. At some point the CCP is going to feel the need to force the issue, or continue to lose face.