No More Stimulus

[Borgia_dude]

@Ceasar

I opposed the first, & every other. Too much debt, & paying people more to stay home than working is insane, & put in the bill by democrats to keep the unemployment levels high.

No more, it’s not good.

(If I may borrow some logic from tax threads)

I assume you will reject the check when it arrives.

[TommyLucchese]

@Borgia_dude

I assume you will reject the check when it arrives.

If he does I’ll DM him my cash app.

[Ceasar]

Exactly! I am for a total reopen. Always have been. Opposed to shutdown, EVER, short of a bubonic plague type crisis. A 99% recovery rate is not a reason to shut down the country & cause more death than the virus.

[Ceasar]

@tzu

So what happens to all the jobs being saved by the current distribution?

What about the cascading effects of their loss, when they coincide with a sharp drop in spending, the onset of flu season, the reopening of schools and a hunger crisis that is about to go from slow burn to conflagration?

Are you a fan of runaway inflation?

Do you really still believe we should be viewing monetary supply through the lens of non-existent metal currencies?

Do you really think your worldview will be a successful competitor with the fascism and new bolshevism a pandemic-depression will produce?

Do you think your faith, as a social dynamic embedded in cornucopia capitalism, will be spared from twisting pressures of a cataclysmic moment?

No. Never should have done a shut down to begin with & wouldn’t have been a reason to do a spendulus.

[Ceasar]

@Nemesis

@Ceasar

@Nemesis

@Ceasar

I opposed the first, & every other. Too much debt, & paying people more to stay home than working is insane, & put in the bill by democrats to keep the unemployment levels high.

No more, it’s not good.

If you think anyone is getting rich off the last stimulus then thats delusional.

Of course anyone can find the outlier that abuses the system but the vast majority of people have been helped by this.

Baloney. I don’t think people are getting rich on this. The stimulus is not good is what I said. Of course socialists want to give away money we don’t have or can pay back.

Is Trump a socialist for being on board for another stimulus bill? Are all the Republicans who support this RINOS?

The real world is too complex and nuanced to boil everything down to your either a socialist or conservative.

I know throwing words around like socialist, globalist etc. make for good fodder on social media but it does not reflect real life.

No matter what we do with Covid there is goong to be pain. If we just open up and throw caution to the wind, health systems across the USA will be overloaded and the death rate for those who are elderly or health impaired will sky rocket.

If we stay shut down then the economy will collapse and that will hurt just as bad.

This is why we need to take a measured, rational approach on trying to balance everything.

Open up but enforce social distancing and wearing masks, have restrictions on large gatherings. Discourage interstate travel for non essential business. Of couse this will impact some sectors an hurt others but the reality is there is no easy or simple solution.

Unlike democrats, i don’t blindly follow any politician no matter what they propose. The left will follow a politician off a cliff. Therefore i don’t support everything the Trump or anyone does. I think he shouldn’t have listened to the nail-biters to begin with, even though I support him otherwise.

[Ceasar]

@thinkingman

how about state tax holiday?

it’s really the leftwit governors who are killing their states

I’m ok with less taxes.

[Ceasar]

@Jezcoe

Let’s crater the economy into a full blown Depression… yay!

No need for a spendulus if the economy is open.

[Ceasar]

@TommyLucchese

@Ceasar

I opposed the first, & every other. Too much debt, & paying people more to stay home than working is insane, & put in the bill by democrats to keep the unemployment levels high.

No more, it’s not good.

You either spend the money or plunge into a new Great Depression. There is no third option.

One of the times massive deficit spending is okay is when a pandemic is crushing the country.

3rd option: End all shutdowns.

[Ceasar]

@DMK

@TheRedComet

If the “state” is going to mandate a shutdown and force people away from their jobs, then they have an obligation to pay for it.

Agreed. They want to call the shots, then let them pay for their choices.

I propose they don’t call the shots to begin with. No shutdowns, no need for a spendulus.

[mwevans1234]

@Ceasar

Unlike democrats, i don’t blindly follow any politician no matter what they propose. The left will follow a politician off a cliff. Therefore i don’t support everything the Trump or anyone does. I think he shouldn’t have listened to the nail-biters to begin with.

Here’s a couple of things for you to ignore:

Republicans More Positive on U.S. Relations With Russia

Democrat opinion of Russia - unchanged from 2014 to 2018, but Republicans twice as positive!

Presidential Moral Leadership Less Important to Republicans

Importance of moral leadership - change from Clinton to Trump. Democrats - 13pts higher; Republicans - 23pts lower

People waffle and bend to the will of certain personalities - to pretend Democrats are unique in this regard is stupid.

[Ceasar]

@highroller

It’s when you are SUPPOSED TO deficit spend. I think “conservatives” may be confused on how government spending operates.

They want to deficit spend when times are good and not when times are bad.

Democrats want to deficit spend into oblivion good times or bad.

[Ceasar]

@thinkingman

@tzu

…of the people, by the people, for the people.

keep that in mind as businesses shut their doors thanks to idiot government

Amen! Best point so far!

[DMK]

@Ceasar

Exactly! I am for a total reopen. Always have been. Opposed to shutdown, EVER, short of a bubonic plague type crisis. A 99% recovery rate is not a reason to shut down the country & cause more death than the virus.

I was okay with the two week stay at home in February. The virus looked pretty darn scary when seeing what was happening in other countries.

My business was considered essential so we had to work regardless.

Now, it is just political football. People should tell the Mayors and Governors to pound sand and go back to their businesses.

[DMK]

@Ceasar

I think he shouldn’t have listened to the nail-biters to begin with, even though I support him otherwise.

I think, given the information we had at the time, it was prudent.

For quite some time he has been encouraging States to open back up and let people get back to work.

[TommyLucchese]

@Ceasar

3rd option: End all shutdowns.

I suppose the stupidest possible option is an option. If you’re okay with a couple million people dying.

[TommyLucchese]

@DMK

I think, given the information we had at the time, it was prudent.

For quite some time he has been encouraging States to open back up and let people get back to work.

How’s that working out in the Sun Belt? Well? Poorly?

[Ceasar]

Baloney! Democrats will go along with anything their politicians want to do. ANYTHING. Sheeple.

[DMK]

@Borgia_dude

I assume you will reject the check when it arrives.

Not everyone gets a check nor were they eligible for one in the first round. You did know that right?

[Axxowiz]

We’re going into a depression anyways, interest rates at zero massive debt and incoming credit downgrade anytime like in 2011. People didn’t get stimulus checks during the last recession or mortgage forgiveness and 10,000,000 people lost their homes.

Look at the price of gold now the dollar is sinking we can’t print our way out of this mess with zero interest rates. The bill for globalism is officially came in, and it’s in the form of a Great Depression and likely massive inflation if lucky stagnation.

[Ceasar]

@TommyLucchese

@Ceasar

3rd option: End all shutdowns.

I suppose the stupidest possible option is an option. If you’re okay with a couple million people dying.

Projection. I’m not ok with millions of deaths. I disagree it will cause more deaths than staying shut down, & disagree it will be millions either way.

It’s not stupid option to not totally destroy our country by reopening the economy & prevent much more deaths than the virus will do.