No mention of trump's admission

MarkyS · 2018-08-13T21:47:21.612Z

kingarthur65:

Stealing that information and committing a crime to get that information is not relevant?

There is ZERO evidence that anything discussed or even PROPOSED to be discussed at the Tower meeting had anything at all to do with the DNC hacks or the Podesta hacks. All that was supposed to be delivered was legitimate proof from the Russian state prosecutor of crimes committed by the Clintons in Russia. And even that didn’t actually happen, as it turned out.

So no, nothing at all relevant.

M

MarkyS · 2018-08-13T21:58:08.334Z

kingarthur65:

You don’t know what was offfered or given to Jr.

Neither do you, so why tell me that it was anything but what has been spoken of? We have the testimony of everyone at the meeting. It jives with what I have said.

We know he says he was bored with the meeting because it was about adoption.

He was not interested in discussing the Magnitsky Act and he was miffed that he was lied to, in order to get the meeting on false pretenses, so he ended the meeting quickly.

Do you think he was too dumb to understand the topic at hand?

No. The TOPIC was supposed to be the crimes of the Clinton in Russia. That is what he was TOLD it would be about. He quickly understood that was a ruse to get the meeting and nothing but. He understood everything.

Can you think of any other explNation for his description of the meeting?

I have given you his sworn testimony description of the meeting. It was supposed to be one thing and turned out to be another thing but what it was NEVER supposed to be about was stolen emails taken from the DNC and John Podesta.

No one involved has made that claim.

What we have YET to get full answers to were who the Russians at the meeting were ACTUALLY working for, as they were in contact with Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS both before and after the meeting.

Care to offer any legitimate theory / explanation for that?

M

kingarthur65 · 2018-08-13T22:44:01.558Z

I never mentioned stolen emails. I asked you if crimes were ireevelsnt.
Jr didn’t mention the Magnitsky act. He said it was about ADOPTION. Was he being evasive when he said ADOPTION instead of SANCTIONS, or did he not know they were one and the same?

Vigilante · 2018-08-14T07:40:05.254Z

I didnt wear my seatbelt. In Violation of the law! I text while I drove. In violation of the law! I reused a stamp that didnt get postmarked. In Violation of the law!

Vigilante · 2018-08-14T07:43:27.565Z

MarkyS:

No. The TOPIC was supposed to be the crimes of the Clinton in Russia. That is what he was TOLD it would be about. He quickly understood that was a ruse to get the meeting and nothing but. He understood everything

WildRose · 2018-08-14T07:43:55.133Z

Well that was challenging.

A veteran DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with Ukrainian government officials and journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort. She also shared her anti-Trump research with both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, according to the Politico report.

Chalupa met with Ukrainian ambassador Valeriy Chaly and one of his aides, Oksara Shulyar, at the Ukrainian Embassy in March 2016 to talk about unearthing Paul Manafort’s Russian connections, Chalupa admitted to Politico. Four days later, Trump officially hired Manafort. …

The Politico report also notes that the DNC encouraged Chalupa to try to arrange an interview with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to talk about Manafort’s ties to the former pro-Russia president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, whom Manafort previously advised.

Slate Magazine – 11 Jul 17

Did the Clinton Campaign Really Collude With Ukraine?

The similarities between Ukrainian efforts to help Clinton and Russian efforts to help Trump are thin.

WildRose · 2018-08-14T07:57:24.119Z

They also met with some of the same Russians that met with the Trump Campaign.

People associated with Hillary Clinton’s campaign also met with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman.

“Well, if you look at some people connected with Hillary Clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that [the Russian ambassador] had lots of meetings of that kind,” Dmitry Peskov told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria in an interview that aired Sunday.

Peskov said that none of the meetings between campaigns and Kislyak were about the election.

Washington Examiner

Donald Trump

Vigilante · 2018-08-14T07:59:00.849Z

Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) “Foreign national” definedAs used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

WildRose · 2018-08-14T08:09:40.426Z

Can you show where a case has ever even been filed much less prosecuted in which it was asserted that the "donation’ was information?

NebraskaFootball · 2018-08-14T18:03:24.541Z

MarkyS:

The WH has also recently denied that the President was involved in drafting Jr’s statement:

“I do want to be clear ― the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement and did not issue the statement,” Sekulow told NBC’s Chuck Todd on July 16. “It came from Donald Trump Jr. … It was, in fact, from him and I believe it was his lawyer was in consultation.”

Conjecture in the press - “reportedly” - does NOT constitute anything but another possible FAKE NEWS story - one more among the MANY they regularly trade in, these days.

Get someone on the record, for ONCE.

Whoops…

The Daily Beast – 2 Jun 18

White House Lawyers Say Trump Wrote Misleading Response to Trump Tower Meeting

Jay Sekulow, one of the attorneys who signed the letter, told The Daily Beast that no one on the president’s legal team played a role in leaking it.

The letter even says there is documentation of the president’s role in putting together that initial misleading statement.

“You have received all of the notes, communications and testimony indicating that the President dictated a short but accurate response to the New York Times article on behalf of his son, Donald Trump, Jr.,” the lawyers wrote.

His attorney’s went on the record, as you requested, admitting that Trump dictated the letter. Of course, after first lying about it, as you noted in your post.

kingarthur65 · 2018-08-14T18:22:53.410Z

Does this mean that both Donalds were too dumb to realize that the adoption discussion was about sanctions? Certainly they weren’t trying to mislead anyone with those statements about how bored he was with that talk about adoption.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-08-14T18:24:21.478Z

kingarthur65:

Does this mean that both Donalds were too dumb to realize that the adoption discussion was about sanctions? Certainly they weren’t trying to mislead anyone with those statements about how bored he was with that talk about adoption.

I think there is no doubt that they are both that ignorant. And likely are STILL too ignorant to understand, to this day.

kingarthur65 · 2018-08-14T18:39:43.831Z

Then collusion wasn’t needed. Russia had their stooge/puppet.

MarkyS · 2018-08-15T06:46:11.886Z

kingarthur65:

I never mentioned stolen emails. I asked you if crimes were ireevelsnt.
Jr didn’t mention the Magnitsky act. He said it was about ADOPTION. Was he being evasive when he said ADOPTION instead of SANCTIONS, or did he not know they were one and the same?

The Magnitsky Act is tied to adoptions. He knew that as that was what Veselnenskia talked about - freeing up adoptions for Americans if the Magnitsky Act would be rescinded. . Why is this so hard for you?

No crimes were discussed, unfortunately.

Now AGAIN, care to offer any legitimate theory or explanation regarding the connection between Glen Simpson and Fusion GPS and the Russians who were at the meeting? Or, are you going to blow RIGHT BY that again?

M

MarkyS · 2018-08-15T06:57:13.776Z

Vigilante:

I didnt wear my seatbelt. In Violation of the law! I text while I drove. In violation of the law! I reused a stamp that didnt get postmarked. In Violation of the law!

While these may make you a cad in your state, none of them rises to the level of the gross national security breach, the willful violation of federal records laws and the outright obstruction of justice that Clinton committed.

Those are crimes that lesser human beings get prosecuted for, all the time. and having untold numbers of classified material on a private server - one we NOW KNOW was busted into by a foreign actors - borders on treasonous, given that she was repeatedly warned not to do it by her own staff.

M

MarkyS · 2018-08-15T07:20:49.207Z

kingarthur65:

Does this mean that both Donalds were too dumb to realize that the adoption discussion was about sanctions? Certainly they weren’t trying to mislead anyone with those statements about how bored he was with that talk about adoption.

Are you incapable of understanding what happened at that meeting? When the subject of SANCTIONS and the Magnitsky Act came up that is when Don Jr. TERMINATED the meeting.

That is exculpatory evidence that the Trump people were NOT interested in speaking to the Russians about ending sanctions they didn’t like.

Thanks for HELPING Trump.

M

kingarthur65 · 2018-08-15T17:00:30.687Z

MarkyS:

Are you incapable of understanding what happened at that meeting? When the subject of SANCTIONS and the Magnitsky Act came up that is when Don Jr. TERMINATED the meeting.

That is exculpatory evidence that the Trump people were NOT interested in speaking to the Russians about ending sanctions they didn’t like.

Thanks for HELPING Trump.

M

Your interpretation of what happened at that meeting is very interesting.

First of all, you claim that Jr. understood the presentation was about SANCTIONS. Secondly, you claim he TERMINATED this meeting because it was about SANCTIONS.

It that is the case, why didn’t he go to the FBI, CIA or DOJ to notify them of this meeting. You seem to claim that he was so appalled that the Russian government would approach him about lifting sanctions that he would TERMINATE the meeting, but he claims the meeting was such a nothing that he forgot all about it.

I think you should stick with my theory that Jr was too dumb to realize what was being discussed. If he actually knew they were soliciting him to lift the sanctions, he should have reported it.

reflechissez · 2018-08-15T17:12:38.368Z

MarkyS often assumes facts not in evidence.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-08-16T10:57:34.424Z

reflechissez:

MarkyS often assumes facts not in evidence.

It’s like watching a really bad attorney.

Private_Idaho · 2018-08-16T14:04:15.072Z

Nothing illegal occurred and it’s not unusual that a foreign government would lobby a presidential campaign to take a particular action if elected. The lawyer never suggested that the Russian government would take illegal actions to aid the campaign in the election.