NJ School Segregation Lawsuit does not go the way the plaintiffs hoped

Ben_Natuf · 2023-12-10T12:25:42.648Z

you should just stop any pretense of being conservative. This is exactly the leftist scheme that the Obama administration was doing.

https://www.investors.com/politics/policy-analysis/obama-hud-fair-housing-rules-mandates-neighborhood-diversity/

Ben_Natuf · 2023-12-10T12:34:55.608Z

Safiel:

Zoning reform is not a liberal versus conservative issue.

it is the way obama tried to force it, which is exactly what you’re advocating.

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-10T13:52:47.534Z

Smyrna:

News flash…the larger problem that needs to be addressed are the parents of the children who are failing in school. They are not doing their job in guiding their children into adulthood along the path of education. Do you inspect their homework to see that it’s done? Do you attend the Parent/Teacher Conference day and converse with the teachers working with your child to see if they have any complaints or recommendations? Until this is resolved…the only thing bussing these kids to other schools will do, is bring down the grades of those children do to the disruption these educationally, failing children bring with them.

Lousy parents create lousy children and lousy children make lousy students and lousy students make lousy schools. US schools are in decline and will continue on that trajectory as more and more US children are born to single mothers along with the flooding of the nation with the world’s poverty and problems.

WuWei · 2023-12-10T14:00:35.223Z

Are you making a case for abortion?

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-10T14:05:07.952Z

WuWei:

Are you making a case for abortion?

If I remember correctly, you and I have pretty much identical views on abortion. There’s the moral issue, but then there’s the practical reality that we learned through history.

WuWei · 2023-12-10T14:06:47.636Z

Not my view.

e7alr · 2023-12-10T14:34:39.791Z

Abortion comes after the fact. His suggestion seems to be aimed at a before the fact response.

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-10T14:43:46.540Z

WuWei:

Are you making a case for abortion?

All I’m doing is stating facts. Children born to two parent married homes with economic stability make better students, and if that continues to decline the schools will also.

WuWei · 2023-12-10T14:48:55.678Z

And if abortion is legal, will there be fewer single mothers?

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-10T14:59:33.504Z

WuWei:

And if abortion is legal, will there be fewer single mothers?

Two responses. First, the thread is not about abortion. Second, abortion is legal in NJ so clearly it has nothing to do with the inability for these single mothers to get an abortion if that’s their wish.

WuWei · 2023-12-10T15:16:08.636Z

I understand.

e7alr · 2023-12-10T18:12:11.170Z

As is usual for the times, a racial lens, rather than a socio-economic lens was used define the issue.

tnt · 2023-12-10T18:52:35.702Z

Safiel:

That depends on the specifics of the area and the mechanics can be different.

For example. Most cities have large swaths of R-1 zoning (standard single family homes on around a quarter acre of land).

Break up some of that unused zoning area. Leave some as R-1 but change some of that to medium density (small apartment buildings). Create some areas of low income R-1. This can be done by reducing required lot sizes, required structure size, eliminating requirements for off street parking (i.e. no garage, no carport, no driveway). Smaller, cheaper, affordable starter homes are the result and would be in proximity to higher income neighborhoods and would share the same schools.

This is the direction our town is going. there is a lot of pushback and some - imo - legit questions about it producing the expected results. But our town is an anomaly in terms of real estate valuations, which might change the calculus.

tnt · 2023-12-10T18:55:30.224Z

Safiel:

Even Florida has enacted a version of Statewide zoning reform and many other Republican States are exploring measures, as well as Democratic States.

Look at DeSantis go!

bigtwnvin · 2023-12-10T18:56:08.036Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Exactly. 70% of black children and over 50% of Latino children come from single parent households and everyone of them live off of various forms of public assistance.

Wait until J’Biden’s illegal invasion horde begins procreating like rodents.
They’re already smothering schools, welfare, medical and housing programs. It’s going to be the biggest social cluster ■■■■ imaginable. The taxpayers will surely enjoy taking care of all of them.
FJB

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-10T21:36:22.308Z

bigtwnvin:

Eagle-Keeper:

Exactly. 70% of black children and over 50% of Latino children come from single parent households and everyone of them live off of various forms of public assistance.

Wait until J’Biden’s illegal invasion horde begins procreating like rodents.
They’re already smothering schools, welfare, medical and housing programs. It’s going to be the biggest social cluster ■■■■ imaginable. The taxpayers will surely enjoy taking care of all of them.
FJB

I still have friends who are teachers in public schools and they can’t wait to retire. I also know people whose sons and daughters don’t want their kids to go to public schools. In 10-20 years most public schools will be utter ■■■■ shows.

Samm · 2023-12-11T02:10:47.360Z

Smyrna:

WuWei:

The state raises those children.

Then instead of supporting legalized child abuse, the answer is to remove one testicle and one ovary of each failing parent. Then…although “we” haven’t fixed the problem, it can not exacerbate.

Although this can not be done, it really is the best answer…for the well being of our nation’s children.

What if they have two … or three or more … kids who are failing?

Smyrna · 2023-12-11T12:05:02.838Z

Samm:

What if they have two … or three or more … kids who are failing?

At two…it’s over…unless…they have 3 ovaries or 3 testicles?

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-18T13:18:03.423Z

PurpnGold:

bigtwnvin:

Private education perhaps better than the goobermint schools?

For the most part, yes.

They can self select and charge tuition which weeds out certain kids.

School choice is being advocated:

https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2023/12/nj-advocates-lawmakers-discuss-how-to-end-segregated-schools/

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-12-23T21:10:12.079Z

WuWei:

They hopin’ some of that white grades rub off?

Nah, they just want to be busing those white kids into the inner city!

Lustberg said that for any “set of remedies” for addressing segregation in the system to work, “there has to be a flow of students in both directions.”

“Urban students going to the suburbs pursuant to some choice program, and for suburban students to come to some inner cities perhaps attracted there by magnet schools or specialized charter schools or other mechanisms,” he said.

Gothamist – 2 Dec 23

NJ officials and plaintiffs in landmark school segregation case begin mediation

Both sides expressed a desire to find remedies in the talks, which are expected to extend into next year.