NJ Governor Holding First Responders Hostage

[DMK]

@kingarthur65

Why was the cancer claim covered under worker’s comp? Was it claimed as an occupational illness?

Because Worker’s Comp said they couldn’t determine how much of his pain was caused by getting jostled when running over the curb vs pain caused by the actual tumor.

We tried to fight it but nope. Didn’t work out. I had to go through ADP payroll and insurance until my ratio came back down.

[Konssurvative1]

So it’s an Illinois situation. For years the balanced the budget with funds for retirement pensions. Then when they all came due at once they couldn’t pay…i see.

[Snow96]

@kingarthur65

You’re arguing with yourself and using flawed logic to do so.

So does this mean you now agree that they are not taking gas tax money and spending it other places? That’s what I’ve been trying to point out.

@kingarthur65

Gas taxes are another. They almost always end up being part of the general fund.

This is what I’ve been debunking. That Gas taxes almost end up being part of the general fund.

I’m not wondering if you ment to say General Fund spending that was for roads, gets taken away,.

[kingarthur65]

@Smyrna

@Konssurvative1

The problem is not what they did in the past, it’s the fact that revenues aren’t meeting expenses. Here in Indiana the Governor decided that there needed to be a 15% cut to the budget. They are cutting spending on renovating state parks, cancelling certain road projects.

It’s due to unemployment and no income tax revenues.

I wish you were 100% correct my friend but you’re not. Those in charge dug a hole and didn’t reserve money for pensions that they promised to pay policemen, firefighters, teachers and other government workers. These funds should have already been reserved and untouchable. They didn’t do that. They spent that money on other things that they decided were more important. That’s criminal. Can you imagine if the many people you hired, didn’t get paid? What would happen to anybody who did that? These people committed criminal acts…plain and simple. Now…they want to be bailed out and are using these same as their hostages to incite sheoples’ feelings. Now listen to those around the country who regurgibleet orange man baaa, baaa, baaad if he doesn’t cut the check.

Trump decides not to fund the states. State follow McConnell’s advice and declare bankruptcy. Pension funds go bust. Trump gets blamed sounds like a winning strategy.

[Ben_Natuf]

then i guess you did never pay for that unemployment

[Jezcoe]

@Ben_Natuf

then i guess you did never pay for that unemployment

Social Security is earned through labor, like Unemployment, it is public money that is doled out when someone is eligible.

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

Social Security is earned through labor, like Unemployment, it is public money that is doled out when someone is eligible.

One difference. You and the employer split the SS payment to the trust fund.

How much came out of your week/bi-weekly/monthly check, or conversely how much did you write a check for to go into your states UI fund?

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

Social Security is earned through labor, like Unemployment, it is public money that is doled out when someone is eligible.

One difference. You and the employer split the SS payment to the trust fund.

How much came out of your week/bi-weekly/monthly check, or conversely how much did you write a check for to go into your states UI fund?

Like Unemployment, that half of payroll taxes are paid out by the employer as compensation for labor.

It is earned by labor.

[tnt]

@Ben_Natuf

its not public money. its mine, and they’re stealing it to give it to people i don’t know and don’t give a damn about

You don’t care about your fellow americans?

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

Like Unemployment, that half of payroll taxes are paid out by the employer as compensation for labor.

It is earned by labor.

No it isn’t. It’s a tax on a company based on number of employee’s total wages, and number of claims.

You don’t contribute squat to the UI fund.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

Like Unemployment, that half of payroll taxes are paid out by the employer as compensation for labor.

It is earned by labor.

No it isn’t. It’s a tax on a company based on number of employee’s total wages, and number of claims.

You don’t contribute squat to the UI fund.

Of course I do, by selling my labor.

It is part of my compensation that an Unemployment Insurance system is there if I need to draw upon it.

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

Of course I do, by selling my labor.

No you do. Do you negotatie your pay with your employer? How often. Are you notified when they have a raise in UI payments or a decrease? Or is it something going on in the background you have no control over?
Vs SS TAX that is on your specific wages.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

Of course I do, by selling my labor.

No you do. Do you negotatie your pay with your employer? How often. Are you notified when they have a raise in UI payments or a decrease? Or is it something going on in the background you have no control over?
Vs SS TAX that is on your specific wages.

I am a freelancer. Have been for over 20 years. I negotiate the price of my labor all the time.

I don’t negotiate Unemployment or Social Security since that is an already mandated payment for buying my labor.

I don’t have to worry about that… unless we have politicians who want to screw it all up… so I can worry about increasing my immediate benefit.

It’s a pretty cool deal.

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

I am a freelancer. Have been for over 20 years. I negotiate the price of my labor all the time.

And do you ask what they are charged for UI insurance to make it a part of your negotations. If they are charged less than the last place you did work for, do you ask for more money?

@Jezcoe

I don’t negotiate Unemployment or Social Security since that is an already mandated payment for buying my labor.

You’ve said that it effects your pay, and part of your pay goes to UI. So you should be asking for those numbers if you are actually negotiation the value of your work.
Unless you write a check to UI, you are not contriubuting. Your employer is. It’s plain and simple.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

I am a freelancer. Have been for over 20 years. I negotiate the price of my labor all the time.

And do you ask what they are charged for UI insurance to make it a part of your negotations. If they are charged less than the last place you did work for, do you ask for more money?

@Jezcoe

I don’t negotiate Unemployment or Social Security since that is an already mandated payment for buying my labor.

You’ve said that it effects your pay, and part of your pay goes to UI. So you should be asking for those numbers if you are actually negotiation the value of your work.
Unless you write a check to UI, you are not contriubuting. Your employer is. It’s plain and simple.

Why would I want to muck about in UI? It is already there being paid for as compensation for selling my labor. I don’t have to worry about it.

The idea that unless I am writing the check I am not contributing is silly. It is paid because I have been hired to a job. it is part of the compensation. Employers don’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts… like any compensation to labor it is a cost from labor because it is paid to labor.

I don’t get this need for people to really sell themselves short when thinking about how much their labor is worth.

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

Why would I want to muck about in UI? It is already there being paid for as compensation for selling my labor. I don’t have to worry about it.

If you negotate your pay and that is part of your compensation – you should be using it in the calculations of what your labor is worth. Otherwise, it’s just a tax on the company that isn’t in relation to what your negotated salary/wage is.

@Jezcoe

The idea that unless I am writing the check I am not contributing is silly. It is paid because I have been hired to a job. it is part of the compensation. Employers don’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts… like any compensation to labor it is a cost from labor because it is paid to labor.

No they don’t. They do it because lawmakers have passed a tax on businesses. Not on the employee’s.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

Why would I want to muck about in UI? It is already there being paid for as compensation for selling my labor. I don’t have to worry about it.

If you negotate your pay and that is part of your compensation – you should be using it in the calculations of what your labor is worth. Otherwise, it’s just a tax on the company that isn’t in relation to what your negotated salary/wage is.

@Jezcoe

The idea that unless I am writing the check I am not contributing is silly. It is paid because I have been hired to a job. it is part of the compensation. Employers don’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts… like any compensation to labor it is a cost from labor because it is paid to labor.

No they don’t. They do it because lawmakers have passed a tax on businesses. Not on the employee’s.

Lets make this easy.

Are what we talking about labor costs?

Yes or no?

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

Lets make this easy.

Are what we talking about labor costs?

Yes or no?

No.

It’s a tax that the company will be paying. Just like the tax on their income. Just like the tax on any motor fuels they use.

Just as every other expense, it’s an expense they use in figureing the cost of their product/service and what they will be able to pay their employee’s.

[Jezcoe]

@Snow96

@Jezcoe

Lets make this easy.

Are what we talking about labor costs?

Yes or no?

No.

It’s a tax that the company will be paying. Just like the tax on their income. Just like the tax on any motor fuels they use.

Just as every other expense, it’s an expense they use in figureing the cost of their product/service and what they will be able to pay their employee’s.

So… these costs which are part of employing people are not labor costs. They are not based upon having employees or how many or their wages or any of that other stuff.

They would be paid out no no matter what.

Okay…

[Snow96]

@Jezcoe

So… these costs which are part of employing people are not labor costs. They are not based upon having employees or how many or their wages or any of that other stuff.

If UI was based and paid on each individual you would have a point. But there are more factores. For example, if they had a high injury rate, but you personally were not injured – and their rate goes up – how is that based on your labor? It’s not.