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An establishment candidate such as Haley would split the R vote as well.

Establishment candidates don’t win under normal circumstances normally.

One that trashed Trump would have a snowballs chance in you know where.

Millions would vote 3rd party or just sit it out.

Dems would have a landslide victory without bothering to cheat.

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It was the latter. Libs believe what tickles their ears.

I heard one expert estimate that the real votes were probably 78 million for Trump and 69 million for Biden.

Probably close.

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Which expert?

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If you had watched the hearings or documentary you would know.

Have a nice day sneaky.

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Hardly possible, given the number of “experts” who gave estimates.

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Say hello to President DeSantis!

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How can anybody believe such nonsense? Unless they have to to keep their worldview intact.

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True believers.

Allan

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hate to break this to you, but haley was a tea party candidate, not establishment at all. and a good governor.

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She’s a poster child for establishment in my book. If she was tea party she has long since forgotten her roots.

Plus trashing Trump cost her any chance of being elected.

We’ve been down this road before with McCain and Romney.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. :roll_eyes:

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That’s what it’s really about, isn’t it?

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haley is no mccain or romney, who collectively are why i left the party. trump bought me back, haley would too. do i think she went too far in her criticism? yes. do i think trump handled the election situation badly? yes, i do. i’d still vote for either one of them

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On so many issues, this is the case. Dueling “experts”. Dueling “statistics”. Dueling dismissals of the other side’s facts and numbers and statements and opinions.

It’s like “expert poker”. (“I’ll see your retired doctor’s opinion and raise you by one college professor…”) That’s what the national discussion arena has devolved to.

All that, with a media heavily vested in the promotion (not reporting, PROMOTION) of only one side of the game.

:man_shrugging:

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I’ll see your media and raise you one big tech… oh wait, they come from the same stack of chips.

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She endorsed Rubio for President. She didn’t like Trump at all. I have a problem with disloyalty and I believe most people do as well.

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It’s like that poker game is being broadcast on network TV, with the announcers voices being pumped into the room. “Ooh, look at our guy. Damn he looks confident! And the schlep across the table is sweating bullets. Wow, this doesn’t look good for the schlep! His bluffing is obvious…” All the while, high tech is scattered among the people in the gallery, with 100 cameras from every angle trying to get a glimpse of the schlep’s hand so they can leak its contents to their guy.

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Trump wasn’t president when she was endorsing Rubio. Trump was a wild card at that time. There was nothing to be loyal to.

Your statement is as “revisionist” as today’s attempts at applying today’s standards to denigrate Mark Twain for using the N-word in his writing.

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Disloyalty? To whom?

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Of course the Haley/McConnell part of the party v. The true believers part.

Something’s gotta give. Otherwise the party will splinter.

Allan

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She didn’t like him then. Did she evolve and change her mind when he appointed her Ambassador to the UN? Who knows.

Would she even be considered for President if Trump hadn’t appointed her Ambassador to the UN? Maybe not.

Lately, it’s her own words shows she is disloyal. She needs to team up with McConnell.

Bull.