Actually, Nike should do whatever they feel is in their best business interests. I would disagree with this particular decision, but if they wish to take this decision, that is their sole prerogative. I will not dictate to Nike what they can or should do, though I might idly take a different opinion.
Kaep strikes again. That guy really triggers people.
Yep. Can’t be proud of early American history anymore. It’s racist to do so.
Jezcoe:Nike is informed that the people that they market the shoes towards probably won’t buy the shoes because reasons.
BTW, more troubling to me than Nike’s business decision are the “reasons” (in this particular case) that people would eschew this shoe.
Why? People buy and don’t buy things for all sorts of reasons.
These are overpriced collectible shoes that we are discussing… not important things like chicken sandwiches.
Jezcoe: Safiel: Jezcoe:Nike is informed that the people that they market the shoes towards probably won’t buy the shoes because reasons.
Nike changes the design of the shoes.
Capitalism.
Capitalism an d the free market give them the liberty to be ******* stupid.
It doesn’t JUSTIFY their stupidity.
Capitalism is full of stupidity.
Hence a pair of shoes that costs $20 to manufacture costs $120.
Look at it this way.
Any of the shoes that do get out in the wild will be worth thousands.
Capitalism.
You are conflating two different concepts and thus your point falls as logically invalid.
The free market is a different concept from capitalism. Paying an exorbitant sum for something, when no constraints on the free market exist, is not a defect of the free market, rather it is an inheritant result of the free market due to humans vastly different value system and the fact that humans may place a far higher subjective value on an item than what “rational thought” may dictate.
If a seller can command a high price for an object such as shoes, that is no defect in the free market, but solely due to humans ability to act in impulsive and sometimes irrational manners.
Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Jezcoe: altair1013: Jezcoe:Nike is informed that the people that they market the shoes towards probably won’t buy the shoes because reasons.
Nike changes the design of the shoes.
I could be wrong. I think the shoes were already produced. They didn’t think ahead. Since they are not going to sell them, maybe they should give them away to the inner city and Rural poor? That would be a nice gesture.
They won’t.
You know that when some stores can’t sell clothes they destroy them?
Capitalism.
WRONG.
You are again conflating two concepts, this time capitalism and private property rights.
Private property rights dictate Nike can dispose of their property however they ****** see fit, no matter how stupid or irrational the reason seems to you.
Great… glad we can agree.
It’s Capitalism.
It’s an economic system… not the word of God.
It is quite okay to point at stupidity within an economic system where it fails to produce the optimal results and ends up wasting resources that could be used for others in need.
No one is going to throw you in Capitalism jail for doing so.
Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
Great… glad we can agree.
It’s Capitalism.
It’s an economic system… not the word of God.
It is quite okay to point at stupidity within an economic system where it fails to produce the optimal results and ends up wasting resources that could be used for others in need.
No one is going to throw you in Capitalism jail for doing so.
Criticizing the results that may occur under capitalism is not the same as criticizing capitalism. I, myself, just criticized Nike’s actions earlier in this thread. But human irrationality ensures that results under capitalism may seem stupid.
Tilly_jow: Safiel:Without agreeing with johnwk2’s full line of reasoning
Both Nike and the people pushing for recall of these shoes are pinheads.
Nike for being cowardly enough to do it.
And the people pushing for the recall for being ******* stupid enough to push for the recall.
Nike should push back saying we should not allow the White Nationalist types monopolize an American icon.
Actually, Nike should do whatever they feel is in their best business interests. I would disagree with this particular decision, but if they wish to take this decision, that is their sole prerogative. I will not dictate to Nike what they can or should do, though I might idly take a different opinion.
Pushing back would be the best business decision. It would show they’re not slaves to two petty minorities.
Jezcoe:Great… glad we can agree.
It’s Capitalism.
It’s an economic system… not the word of God.
It is quite okay to point at stupidity within an economic system where it fails to produce the optimal results and ends up wasting resources that could be used for others in need.
No one is going to throw you in Capitalism jail for doing so.
Criticizing the results that may occur under capitalism is not the same as criticizing capitalism. I, myself, just criticized Nike’s actions earlier in this thread. But human irrationality ensures that results under capitalism may seem stupid.
That also doesn’t make sense.
Capitalism is a human invention. It isn’t sentient.
It makes no sense to separate out the idiocy that can occur under Capitalism from Capitalism itself.
They are one and the same thing.
Safiel: Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
That unfortunate situation is entirely the fault and creation of the government, via the centralized fractional banking system we are under, a system that OVER DRIVES capitalism and leads to the business cycle.
johnwk2:good people of America gained their independence from foreign domination [the real culprit of slavery on American soil]
What exactly are you trying to say here?
That the colonists were slaves under foreign domination or that foreign domination was responsible for slavery. Both seem to be nonsensical.
Why does it seem nonsensical?
Nike is informed that the people that they market the shoes towards probably won’t buy the shoes because reasons.
Nike changes the design of the shoes.
Capitalism.
Nike was informed by Colin Kapernick.
Time to burn my Jordans.
Jezcoe: Safiel: Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
That unfortunate situation is entirely the fault and creation of the government, via the centralized fractional banking system we are under, a system that OVER DRIVES capitalism and leads to the business cycle.
Are you saying we didn’t have boom n’ bust cycles before the fed?
Jezcoe: Safiel: Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
That unfortunate situation is entirely the fault and creation of the government, via the centralized fractional banking system we are under, a system that OVER DRIVES capitalism and leads to the business cycle.
Damn I wish I knew what that means!
Time to burn my Jordans.
Take them off first.
Safiel: Jezcoe: Safiel: Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
That unfortunate situation is entirely the fault and creation of the government, via the centralized fractional banking system we are under, a system that OVER DRIVES capitalism and leads to the business cycle.
Are you saying we didn’t have boom n’ bust cycles before the fed?
Yes we did.
Before the fed, different inflationary regimes were at work, particularly emissions of paper money not backed by specie, some of which date back to the colonial era.
Jezcoe: Safiel: Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
That unfortunate situation is entirely the fault and creation of the government, via the centralized fractional banking system we are under, a system that OVER DRIVES capitalism and leads to the business cycle.
Well that is also nonsense.
A modern economy cannot exist without a central bank and credit liquidity.
And to say that it drives the business cycle… that is really against history.
See also … the super stable era of wildcat banking.
Tilly_jow: Safiel: Jezcoe: Safiel: Jezcoe:Sorry… you are making a distinction without a difference here.
Either way your point falls.
Capitalism is merely a system where people forestall consumption in favor of saving, thus forming “capital.” The free market just what it says it is.
The two concepts work well together, but they are still just that, two concepts.
Yeah… no… Capitalism is super fueled by debt not savings.
That unfortunate situation is entirely the fault and creation of the government, via the centralized fractional banking system we are under, a system that OVER DRIVES capitalism and leads to the business cycle.
Are you saying we didn’t have boom n’ bust cycles before the fed?
Yes we did.
Before the fed, different inflationary regimes were at work, particularly emissions of paper money not backed by specie, some of which date back to the colonial era.
So we just traded on for the other. In our fed system, we’re able to take more direct action and limit the effect on the bottom portion of society, some would say.