Rights are completely made up and only apply within a society.
zantax
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We fought the revolutionary war precisely because Britain did not recognize our intrinsic rights so why would you use what they did as your example? That’s what happens when governments trample on their people’s rights, they get overthrown.
Well that’s a load of ■■■■■■■■■
You have yet to provide information as to the source of these intrinsic rights and to whom they applied. For example, did those intrinsic rights apply to the slaves transported to the USA?
zantax
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Yes they did, do you really want to argue it was ok to enslave them because they had no intrinsic rights, so if our government didn’t give them any, they never had any? If they didn’t have any intrinsic rights, what is the criticism of slavery based on? You can’t take away something they never had right?
And I already told you where they come from, nature. It’s how we’re built. It’s why there are no happy slaves.
Apparently the part of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness didn’t apply.
I asked about whether it applied to slaves.
You again have failed to explain how or where these “intrinsic rights” came from. What does nature mean in this context? Also, could you explain who you mean by “we”?
zantax
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The argument of the time was that they were not people, not that people didn’t have inalienable rights. Since I know for a fact that they are people, I can confidently say they did indeed have rights. And I shouldn’t have to explain what nature means to you, consult a dictionary.
There is no intrinsic right to bear arms or to have unfettered free speech.
zantax
798
The right to self defense is meaningless if you are denied access to the tools necessary to succeed. And you’re opinion doesn’t count in any case.
So much for intrinsic rights for everyone. As a matter your opinion of my opinion is a matter of complete disinterest to me.
zantax
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You are entitled to an opinion, you have a right to one, that doesn’t mean you are entitled to vote here. Voting in the US is not an intrinsic right.
I have never thought nor claimed that I should be able to vote in an US election. Further if I were able to vote most of the previous US presidential candidates would be right of my views and beliefs.
First prove a particular tool is necessary.
No that’s what happens when you have sufficient power to overthrow a govt.
zantax
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We have sufficient power to overthrow our government right now, without firing a shot, but we don’t. So your hypothesis doesn’t seem to hold water.
For those crying out there for gun control and/or all right confiscation of guns fail to realize that bad guys don’t follow laws, they will always be able to get hands on a gun on the black market and/or have them 3D-made. It actually took Law Enforcement with a gun to STOP a bad guy with a gun…
Nope still watertight, power is needed for success and the other component is the will to use it.
zantax
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Which is where trampling on peoples rights comes in.
Trampling on peoples rights is not needed.
