New Zealand: "Our gun laws will change." Why them and not us?

[Plasmaball]

You will when you are married

[westaussie]

I have an idea of the word you are referring to; if it is the one I think it is then you have lost the argument. I would point it was not me that created the topic.

[mobulis]

@WuWei

Not at all. If you want to live as a subject with a boot on your neck, that’s your choice.

Except that’s not happening.

[mobulis]

@Toll_Collector

@westaussie

WR it might be difficult to understand that we Australians, we Kiwis do not want to go done the route that is the USA. We do not want to have a proliferation of guns. We do not believe that semi-automatics, for example, should be available to the civilian population.

Don’t always go by statistics. There is a reason why they are considered one of the 3 types of lies. I am 52 and have lived in the USA all of my life in many different places. I have yet to hear a gun being fired in my entire life outside a gun range or me doing the firing. If you stay out of trouble this is a pretty safe place to live. Now inner cities late at night you’re going to find trouble. That’s where we start to build statistics.

On occasion we’ll have a mass shooting. It’s made worse because everyone being shot at is unarmed and can’t fight back. And your logical solution is to unarm more people? That’s…I’m not going to use the R word because it offends people and I don’t want my post removed, but it applies here. I’m not going to allow the occasional maniac to remove my ability to defend myself.

We have a problem with people using guns to kill people, and your solution is to have more of the things that are causing the problem.

[Toll_Collector]

@westaussie

I have an idea of the word you are referring to; if it is the one I think it is then you have lost the argument. I would point it was not me that created the topic.

No, it applies. The other word I could use is stupid but I don’t think that applies, so I won’t use it. If your philosophy causes you to think and move backwards then the word applies. I can’t use stupid because I see you type and nothing leads me to believe you are stupid, so it’s something else.

[Bodecea]

@madasheck

So New Zealand’s prime minister said today that in the wake of the terrorist attack there, the gun laws of the country must be revised. “I can tell you right now our gun laws will change," she said. “Now is the time.” She vowed to spearhead an effort to change the country’s gun laws, which are already more stringent than they are in the United States, but not as strict as in Australia and much of Europe.

The second link on this page is a summary of NZ gun laws from the Library of Congress. Here’s a portion of the summary of the laws just to provide a little info.

The big question is if they can change more stringent laws, why can’t we toughen up ours? Makes no sense.

All persons in possession of a firearm must hold a license in accordance with the Arms Act 1983.[34] Unlicensed persons may, however, be in possession of a firearm or ammunition if they are under the immediate supervision of a license holder.[35] General rules relating to firearms licenses include the following:

• Firearms license applicants are required to provide a photo, which is displayed on the license;[36]
• License holders are required to produce their license when required to do so by a member of the Police;[37]
• Persons in possession of a firearm must give their full name, address, and date of birth if requested by a member of the Police;[38]
• License holders are required to notify the Police of a change of address (Persons holding an endorsement as described below must also inform the Police of the arrangements made for safe custody of the firearm during the shift to the new address);[39] and
• A person must notify the Police if any firearm is lost or stolen.[40]

The Arms Act and associated regulations are silent regarding the ownership or possession of firearms for the purposes of self-defense. However, the Arms Code (a firearms safety manual and guidance document produced by the Police and the New Zealand Mountain Safety Council (NZMSC) and provided to license applicants) states the following:

Self-defence is not a valid reason to possess firearms. The law does not permit the possession of firearms ‘in anticipation’ that a firearm may need to be used in self-defence.

Citizens are justified in using force in self-defence in certain situations. The force that is justified will depend on the circumstances of the particular case. Every person is criminally responsible for any excessive use of force against another person.

A firearm is a lethal weapon. To justify the discharge of a firearm at another person the user must hold a honest belief that they or someone else is at imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.
[41]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/15/shootings-reported-mosques-christchurch-new-zealand/?utm_term=.e224ce688b16

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[Bodecea]

@BonAppetit

I am quite familiar with New Zealand, believe me. It is not a state that the US should want to emulate.

It’s a terrible place.

It’s one of the most beautiful countries with delightful people in the world. But you say it’s a terrible place…why do you think it’s terrible?

[Bodecea]

@conan

Sorry…but I don’t believe you.

I will not put my faith in goverment to insure our freedoms…specially after what we witness over the years.

So…if you do not put your faith in government to insure our freedoms, what DO you put your faith in?

[Bodecea]

@WuWei

@theduke

That’s a myth created out of paranoia.

Yet another truth supported by history. As individuals we have less freedom from than at any other time in the history of this country. That’s not debatable.

And how have you let that happen?

[Bodecea]

@Konssurvative1

Got a link…i always thought that when we used facts there was supposed to be a citation. I googled worldwide gun facts…and could not find this information anywhere

Roxie made it all up…that’s why there is no link.

[WuWei]

@Bodecea

@WuWei

@theduke

That’s a myth created out of paranoia.

Yet another truth supported by history. As individuals we have less freedom from than at any other time in the history of this country. That’s not debatable.

And how have you let that happen?

I was busy for the first part of it, not woke for some of it and fighting it from Texas now.

[Bodecea]

@Smyrna

Why not start with California? Show the rest of us dumbasses how to do it. Then when “we” can see your perfect utopia, the rest will have a model as their blueprint.

Mulford Act

[Bodecea]

@Bigjohn

Because we have a paranoia, a fetish for guns, a basic insecurity and a built in fear of everything.

Don’t forget the phallic symbology.

[tnt]

@Toll_Collector

On occasion we’ll have a mass shooting.

On occasion?!?!!?!

It’s every other week.

[Konssurvative1]

Maybe some of us just believe in exercising our rights to be able to own something. If you don’t want to own it fine. I chose to. I am by far a gunhugger, I do believe in my right to exercise ownership.

[Bodecea]

@Axxowiz

That’s a typical weekend in Chicago and Baltimore.

More so in St. Louis

[Bodecea]

@Tguns

@Mountain_Soldier

So why should we model our laws off theirs?

Fear, insecurity and a desperate need to do something to make us feel better.

Sounds like the impetus for the Patriot Act.

[Bodecea]

@conan

How free when goverment using it’s powers to suppress and violate our rights as we witnessed with CIA, NSA, CoJ and FBI?

So…if you have less freedom than what you used to have, why aren’t you using your guns to fix that?

[WuWei]

@Bodecea

@Axxowiz

That’s a typical weekend in Chicago and Baltimore.

More so in St. Louis

How does that help your case?

[Bodecea]

@WuWei

@madasheck

Who is violating your rights?

You (collective).

So why aren’t you using your guns to rectify that?