Navy busts the budget on USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78)

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-12T15:03:37.315Z

FloridaYankee:

He isn’t, he’s guilty as hell and the judge told him so and forced him to make good on it.

During my entire lifetime a lot of people, for whatever reason, don’t really view white collar stealing as they do other stealing. I’ve never quite understood it. When a customer doesn’t pay our invoice it’s stealing. Plan and simple.

Just like if a guy ate some food and skipped out on the invoice (tab).

WildRose · 2018-05-12T15:04:57.400Z

If you can demonstrate anything I said to be untrue be my guest.

WildRose · 2018-05-12T15:05:48.669Z

Pretty much. She’ll find a way to work guns in here too if you give it a while.

WildRose · 2018-05-12T15:07:16.958Z

The law and reality say otherwise.

markdido · 2018-05-12T15:08:00.821Z

Safiel:

Imagine if we were building ships during World War II the way we are now.

Sorry, the USS Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri & Wisconsin and the USS Essex and the rest of the Essex-class aircraft carriers won’t be available for a couple of years while were work out engine bearing issues.

The Japanese fleet would be home-ported today in San Diego and we would all be speaking Japanese.

Modern warships are several orders of magnitude more technologically complex then the ones build in World War Two. And we also converted most of our industrial capability into producing ships, aircraft and tanks for the war effort.

How many shipyards do we have today capable of producing capital ships compared to back then?

WildRose · 2018-05-12T15:10:55.132Z

Ships of this size? One I believe, vs forty or so on each coast in the WWII era.

Snow96 · 2018-05-12T16:09:55.441Z

It was a contract dispute. Two parties disputing what the contract called for. One party took the other to court. One was found to have violated the contract, and told to pay the other money owed and attorney fee’s.

Happens thousands of times a month.

So I ask again, where is the theft?

FloridaYankee · 2018-05-12T16:25:58.016Z

Snow96:

It was a contract dispute. Two parties disputing what the contract called for. One party took the other to court. One was found to have violated the contract, and told to pay the other money owed and attorney fee’s.

Happens thousands of times a month.

So I ask again, where is the theft?

It was attempted, he didn’t get away with it. Why are you making excuses for dishonest business dealings? I’ve been stiffed in similar business dealings, it takes food right off the table as it were, it is most definitely theft.

Snow96 · 2018-05-12T16:33:24.088Z

I’m not making excuses. The Don isn’t the only one that disputes contracts and/or non payment.

It happens every day in the business world.

If and when it goes to court, sometimes the contractor wins, sometimes the other party wins.

FloridaYankee · 2018-05-12T16:41:17.247Z

Snow96:

I’m not making excuses. The Don isn’t the only one that disputes contracts and/or non payment.

It happens every day in the business world.

If and when it goes to court, sometimes the contractor wins, sometimes the other party wins.

“Disputes contracts” LOL! He paid them 160 something out of 200 thousand and refused to pay the rest even though the contract was fulfilled. That is NOT a dispute, that is Trump STIFFING the guy out of thirty plus thousand dollars and it is sleazy, dishonest thievery, nothing less.

Snow96 · 2018-05-12T16:47:32.209Z

Sure it is. It was a dispute over how the contract was completed. Unless you know for sure that everything was done to speck BEFORE the court hearing. Somthin’ tells me you don’t know that.

That’s why it goes to court if one party doesn’t think it’s right. An impartial judge (or jury) hears the evidence THEN decides if the contract was fulfilled to the terms of the contract.

In the case of the painter, an impartial party found it was fulfilled, The Don had to pay the remainder of the contract and attorney fee’s.

Had the painter lost, he would have had to pay The Don’s attorney fee’s.

As I said, this happens thousands of times a month around the country.

Impenitent · 2018-05-12T16:48:24.959Z

Chevy did a funny Ford falling down bit…

FloridaYankee · 2018-05-12T17:01:03.547Z

Snow96:

Sure it is. It was a dispute over how the contract was completed. Unless you know for sure that everything was done to speck BEFORE the court hearing. Somthin’ tells me you don’t know that.

That’s why it goes to court if one party doesn’t think it’s right. An impartial judge (or jury) hears the evidence THEN decides if the contract was fulfilled to the terms of the contract.

In the case of the painter, an impartial party found it was fulfilled, The Don had to pay the remainder of the contract and attorney fee’s.

Had the painter lost, he would have had to pay The Don’s attorney fee’s.

As I said, this happens thousands of times a month around the country.

Yes, thousands of times a month people try to screw each other over and end up in court. That too is thievery or attempted thievery. Trump’s business history is a sordid tale of doing just that time and time again. Several thousand lawsuits against him, way out of proportion to others in the same line and scale of business, some much bigger than Trump in the real estate world.

Snow96 · 2018-05-12T17:27:33.995Z

In a perfect would it wouldn’t happen.

Just like people running up credit cards and not paying. Or buying homes and not paying the mortgages.

Or just like people who shoplift.

FloridaYankee · 2018-05-12T18:40:12.294Z

Snow96:

In a perfect would it wouldn’t happen.

Just like people running up credit cards and not paying. Or buying homes and not paying the mortgages.

Or just like people who shoplift.

Yes and they have one thing in common. They are criminals.

Snow96 · 2018-05-12T21:36:34.403Z

Only if charged, tried and convicted.

You know, like Hillary “not meaning” to break the law so she wasn’t charged

FloridaYankee · 2018-05-12T22:58:51.664Z

Snow96:

Only if charged, tried and convicted.

You know, like Hillary “not meaning” to break the law so she wasn’t charged

Yeah, okaaaaay, LOL!

SixFoot · 2018-05-12T23:24:08.505Z

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MidwestIndy · 2018-05-13T00:11:58.099Z

Precisely. Now days its promise the world and deliver the parcel.

Safiel · 2018-05-13T01:39:17.152Z

WildRose:

You mean to tell us that a military project is running over budget? Damn, that’s never happened before has it?

It’s unavoidable and always has been due to the length of time involved and the rapid pace of technological advancement.

When you are constantly pushing the very edge of military tech it simply isn’t avoidable.

When projects take years or decades to complete it’s unavoidable.

Carriers are the equivalent of floating cities and military bases combined. They are the most complex weapons delivery system ever developed and we’ve always has similar problems with them.

Answering just your first sentence, just because it has happened before or indeed happens frequently is a **** poor reason for excusing this crap when it happens again.

And the latest failure is NOT a first in class issue, it is the failure of a fundamental part that is not particularly cutting edge. We should not pay for this, the builder should eat the cost for this in full.