National Right to Repair

BillBrown · 2019-11-26T19:18:53.580Z

Jezcoe:

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of a National Right to Repair law.

Her proposal would apply only to farm equipment, so I do not think that it will go far enough, but it is a good start to putting the power of being able to do what you want with the things that you own.

Elizabeth Warren Calls for a National Right-to-Repair Law for Tractors

“The national right-to-repair law should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents,” Warren said. “This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall.”

Warren should go into the tractor business and offer this to her customers.

That doesn’t even begin to make sense as far as a response goes.

Of course not. Leftists want to force others to do their bidding rather than actually do it themselves. It’s the basis of totalitarianism.

If this is something the public wants and the tractor manufacturers can make a profit offering it, no law would be necessary. The free market would bring it about. No government coercion needed.

highroller · 2019-11-26T19:19:03.546Z

Sure it makes sense.It’s all part of the spoiled child syndrome the right wing has nowadays.

highroller · 2019-11-26T19:20:31.776Z

BillBrown:

It’s the basis of totalitarianism.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Consumer protection is the basis of totalitarianism. Nice one!!

Jezcoe · 2019-11-26T19:44:00.322Z

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of a National Right to Repair law.

Her proposal would apply only to farm equipment, so I do not think that it will go far enough, but it is a good start to putting the power of being able to do what you want with the things that you own.

Elizabeth Warren Calls for a National Right-to-Repair Law for Tractors

“The national right-to-repair law should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents,” Warren said. “This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall.”

Warren should go into the tractor business and offer this to her customers.

That doesn’t even begin to make sense as far as a response goes.

Of course not. Leftists want to force others to do their bidding rather than actually do it themselves. It’s the basis of totalitarianism.

If this is something the public wants and the tractor manufacturers can make a profit offering it, no law would be necessary. The free market would bring it about. No government coercion needed.

A quick yes or no.

When someone purchases a product, should they be able to have access to the tools it takes to maintain and repair that product or should the consumer be forced by law to go back to the manufacturer for repair and maintenance?

BillBrown · 2019-11-26T22:09:58.882Z

Jezcoe:

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of a National Right to Repair law.

Her proposal would apply only to farm equipment, so I do not think that it will go far enough, but it is a good start to putting the power of being able to do what you want with the things that you own.

Elizabeth Warren Calls for a National Right-to-Repair Law for Tractors

“The national right-to-repair law should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents,” Warren said. “This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall.”

Warren should go into the tractor business and offer this to her customers.

That doesn’t even begin to make sense as far as a response goes.

Of course not. Leftists want to force others to do their bidding rather than actually do it themselves. It’s the basis of totalitarianism.

If this is something the public wants and the tractor manufacturers can make a profit offering it, no law would be necessary. The free market would bring it about. No government coercion needed.

A quick yes or no.

When someone purchases a product, should they be able to have access to the tools it takes to maintain and repair that product or should the consumer be forced by law to go back to the manufacturer for repair and maintenance?

There is no “should”.
The purchase and the terms of the purchase is rightfully between the merchant and the buyer.

gooddad409 · 2019-11-26T22:45:25.218Z

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of a National Right to Repair law.

Her proposal would apply only to farm equipment, so I do not think that it will go far enough, but it is a good start to putting the power of being able to do what you want with the things that you own.

Elizabeth Warren Calls for a National Right-to-Repair Law for Tractors

“The national right-to-repair law should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents,” Warren said. “This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall.”

Warren should go into the tractor business and offer this to her customers.

Might be a big demand on her reservation.

highroller · 2019-11-26T22:57:06.497Z

Using the DMCA for your product is getting the government involved in commerce between the buyer and the merchant.

Jezcoe · 2019-11-27T02:03:11.562Z

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

BillBrown:

Jezcoe:

Elizabeth Warren has come out in favor of a National Right to Repair law.

Her proposal would apply only to farm equipment, so I do not think that it will go far enough, but it is a good start to putting the power of being able to do what you want with the things that you own.

Elizabeth Warren Calls for a National Right-to-Repair Law for Tractors

“The national right-to-repair law should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents,” Warren said. “This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall.”

Warren should go into the tractor business and offer this to her customers.

That doesn’t even begin to make sense as far as a response goes.

Of course not. Leftists want to force others to do their bidding rather than actually do it themselves. It’s the basis of totalitarianism.

If this is something the public wants and the tractor manufacturers can make a profit offering it, no law would be necessary. The free market would bring it about. No government coercion needed.

A quick yes or no.

When someone purchases a product, should they be able to have access to the tools it takes to maintain and repair that product or should the consumer be forced by law to go back to the manufacturer for repair and maintenance?

There is no “should”.
The purchase and the terms of the purchase is rightfully between the merchant and the buyer.

That really wasn’t a yes or a no answer.

Currently, some vendors can use the force of law to restrict purchasers of their products, including the US military, from legally having the knowledge and tools necessary to repair that product.

So yes or no.

Is this a good thing?

DougBH · 2019-11-27T02:08:30.816Z

FloridaYankee:

Rurudyne:

The song was at that point looking into the future. It is to laugh how much they underestimated bloatware: like Word could ever fit on 60MB of memory and 0.9 GB of storage these day.

I use Word 2007 now lol. It works fine and no subscription required. I don’t see any reason to ever change as long as the newer versions can read the documents. I send them all over the world and nobody seems to have any trouble with them.

I have word and excel 2010 on my PC, and keep getting notes that this will not be supported after October 2020, and advised I should switch over to the online version. Not going to happen. I’m really not sure what the security risks are. I basically don’t have those programs open while I’m on the internet anyway.
Anybody know what the risk would be?

Jezcoe · 2019-11-27T02:49:04.121Z

DougBH:

FloridaYankee:

Rurudyne:

The song was at that point looking into the future. It is to laugh how much they underestimated bloatware: like Word could ever fit on 60MB of memory and 0.9 GB of storage these day.

I use Word 2007 now lol. It works fine and no subscription required. I don’t see any reason to ever change as long as the newer versions can read the documents. I send them all over the world and nobody seems to have any trouble with them.

I have word and excel 2010 on my PC, and keep getting notes that this will not be supported after October 2020, and advised I should switch over to the online version. Not going to happen. I’m really not sure what the security risks are. I basically don’t have those programs open while I’m on the internet anyway.
Anybody know what the risk would be?

A better example would be if you were unable to buy the manuals and parts to service the computer that runs your old software.

Safiel · 2019-11-27T03:00:24.696Z

It has been a long long time since it has been worthwhile to open a computer to service it. I haven’t looked inside a computer case in ages.

I run mostly open source software on my private computers and the company provides my work computers and work software. The IT guys see to all that crap.

Safiel · 2019-11-27T03:02:14.324Z

DougBH:

FloridaYankee:

Rurudyne:

The song was at that point looking into the future. It is to laugh how much they underestimated bloatware: like Word could ever fit on 60MB of memory and 0.9 GB of storage these day.

I use Word 2007 now lol. It works fine and no subscription required. I don’t see any reason to ever change as long as the newer versions can read the documents. I send them all over the world and nobody seems to have any trouble with them.

I have word and excel 2010 on my PC, and keep getting notes that this will not be supported after October 2020, and advised I should switch over to the online version. Not going to happen. I’m really not sure what the security risks are. I basically don’t have those programs open while I’m on the internet anyway.
Anybody know what the risk would be?

OpenOffice should meet whatever office software needs you might have. Free and opensource.

Jezcoe · 2019-11-27T03:10:05.440Z

Safiel:

It has been a long long time since it has been worthwhile to open a computer to service it. I haven’t looked inside a computer case in ages.

I run mostly open source software on my private computers and the company provides my work computers and work software. The IT guys see to all that crap.

Well these are only analogies.

The reality is that because of the DMCA, farmers are by law unable to service their own tractors, in some cases the military is unable to service it’s own equipment and the normal end user in a lot of cases doesn’t actually own what they have bought.

Safiel · 2019-11-27T03:17:44.751Z

Jezcoe:

Safiel:

It has been a long long time since it has been worthwhile to open a computer to service it. I haven’t looked inside a computer case in ages.

I run mostly open source software on my private computers and the company provides my work computers and work software. The IT guys see to all that crap.

Well these are only analogies.

The reality is that because of the DMCA, farmers are by law unable to service their own tractors, in some cases the military is unable to service it’s own equipment and the normal end user in a lot of cases doesn’t actually own what they have bought.

I will just say I have a strong disagreement with modern Intellectual Property laws and doctrine. However, I will avoid “going there” at this time.

Suffice it to say I would make changes across the board.

DougBH · 2019-11-27T04:09:55.797Z

Safiel:

OpenOffice should meet whatever office software needs you might have. Free and opensource.

Yes, I forgot about that. Probably the route to go for the way I use my word processor and spreadsheet.

wiley8425 · 2019-11-27T08:27:46.282Z

To me it seems like the best government money can buy. How much you want to bet that politician is in somebody’s pocket at one of the major cellphone companies?

wiley8425 · 2019-11-27T08:32:00.414Z

Open source is great. You’d be surprised how many innovations have come about with products that are open source simply because somebody who uses it can access the code and make a few changes to put some functionality that wasn’t thought of by commercial programmers. I mess around with virtual pinball software and now a commercial company is talking about implementing a “mod” someone made to take a Kinect from an Xbox and use it for head tracking to render virtual tables in 3D in real-time based on where the user is viewing the table from. A freely available mod for a freely available non commercial program that is…wait for it…open source. Something that never even occurred to the commercial company to come up with.

FloridaYankee · 2019-11-27T10:11:50.599Z

DougBH:

FloridaYankee:

Rurudyne:

The song was at that point looking into the future. It is to laugh how much they underestimated bloatware: like Word could ever fit on 60MB of memory and 0.9 GB of storage these day.

I use Word 2007 now lol. It works fine and no subscription required. I don’t see any reason to ever change as long as the newer versions can read the documents. I send them all over the world and nobody seems to have any trouble with them.

I have word and excel 2010 on my PC, and keep getting notes that this will not be supported after October 2020, and advised I should switch over to the online version. Not going to happen. I’m really not sure what the security risks are. I basically don’t have those programs open while I’m on the internet anyway.
Anybody know what the risk would be?

I don’t see any risk at all.

Rurudyne · 2019-11-28T01:47:14.525Z

DougBH:

FloridaYankee:

Rurudyne:

The song was at that point looking into the future. It is to laugh how much they underestimated bloatware: like Word could ever fit on 60MB of memory and 0.9 GB of storage these day.

I use Word 2007 now lol. It works fine and no subscription required. I don’t see any reason to ever change as long as the newer versions can read the documents. I send them all over the world and nobody seems to have any trouble with them.

I have word and excel 2010 on my PC, and keep getting notes that this will not be supported after October 2020, and advised I should switch over to the online version. Not going to happen. I’m really not sure what the security risks are. I basically don’t have those programs open while I’m on the internet anyway.
Anybody know what the risk would be?

Isn’t it amazing that decades after service providers that owned the computers and programs were vanquished and the personal computer world largely freed that those companies who helped free us as much as they did are trying to reapply their boot and call it the Cloud?

The 1950s (via the movie Clue): “Why not? He (J.E.Hoover) is on everyone else’s phone.”

Today: “Hey espionage device, when does the movie start?”

Rurudyne · 2019-11-28T01:49:13.235Z

The risk is that they can’t trick you into buying into their service.