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@westaussie

I simply refuse to play your game for obvious reasons.

Yes, … it is obvious.

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@WildRose

BS, it’s illegal under both state and federal law.

Oh, so you were standing right behind me and know for a fact or are you trying to be a know-it-all with your comment?

I’m telling you I picked up a controlled drug from the pharmacy a few months ago and did not need my ID. Deal with it. It happens sometimes.

You have probably forgotten, but the first time you use a pharmacy, they ask for your ID, copy it, and set up an account for you. From that date forward, they simply ask your birth date when you pick up your prescriptions. They do the same thing at Medical treatment facilities.

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@Borgia_dude

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@matt1618

question is, how does it suppress the vote to show an ID that you must have to function, take part in society?

The elderly don’t really need an ID to function in society if they don’t drive. Nobody will ID alcohol purchases. Their money is likely direct deposited. Explain why they need an ID?

That simply is not true. Regardless of how old you are or whether you drive or not, there are numerous services and activities that require an official picture ID. For instance, you need an ID to travel by airplane, you need an ID to establish a file for medical treatment, you need an ID to establish a bank account and you need it to withdraw money from your direct deposit account. And in many states, you need it to buy alcohol regardless of your age. You even need one to buy a gun … and that is a Constitutional right.

How many voters do you think don’t have ID then?

You tell me. Its you and your ilk are who are claiming that people being denied the right to vote based on not having an ID. I’m sure if it is the problem that you claim it to be, that you should have not problem at all coming up with numerous documented examples of registered voters being unable to vote because they had no ID.

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@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

have

How many?

Zero. Now find a documented example and prove me wrong.

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@westaussie

When one is struggling to make ends meet flying on an aeroplane would be far removed from one’s priorities. Similarly, the purchase of alcohol.

I would beg to differ. Many people turn to tobacco, cigarettes, and drugs becuase they cannot handle the reality of their fianancial situation.

It is almost a dichotomy that addiction to tobacco and alcohol are disproportionally common among people who are “struggling to make ends meet.”

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@matt1618

have

How many?

Zero. Now find a documented example and prove me wrong.

Zero what?

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@FlameHeart

Yes, but you have to prove that you’re a citizen. The U.S. Constitution only applies to citizens.

Not true. The Constitution applies to everyone under the jurisdiction of the US government.

This is not to be confused with eligibility to vote.

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@Guvnah

“Desire to suppress votes…” What a disingenuous way to characterize my position.

Everything about their argument is disingenuous.

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But if the bill of rights and the fourteenth amendment applies to everyone…then why are there laws that refute this?

I guess I’m just not understanding. I do not know the exact language of the 14th amdendment.

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@Axxowiz

No it’s not a valid ID is required for a lot of things in the U.S. What’s next air travel suppression because one doesn’t have an I.D.

You have to understand that there are so few people in Australia that everyone knows everyone else on a first name basis.

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@Borgia_dude

Voter fraud does no harm to you either.

Unbelievable!

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@WuWei

Your fraudulent vote cancels out my legitimate vote.

Not if they vote the same as you do.

Which when you think about it is exactly why the Democrats are the only folks trying to prevent or remove voter ID laws. Apparently, they think the fraudulent votes are heavily in their favor.

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@Borgia_dude

@Guvnah

@Borgia_dude

We were discussing the elderly (80+ for example), who can’t do any online renewals.

Cool. If they don’t renew, they can’t pick up their meds at the pharmacy either.

They’ll renew.

So do you believe that all (not absolute) old people have ID?

What does age have to do with it? I had an ID long before I got old.

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@Borgia_dude

It sure sounds like people here are arguing that to function in today’s society one must have an ID. If I assume that to be true, then only the homeless would not have ID.

Is the assumption of truth correct though?

If indeed that is the case, then its not an issue with voting. To be registered to vote, one must be able to prove their eligibility which usually means their residency.

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It’s always been that way yeah have to have a drivers ID to drive a car. They check your ID if you’re gonna have a drink to make sure you’re 21 any type of government transaction or banking they want to see your license/identification.

I think my biggest question is what is the big deal? And how is requiring an identification card considered voter suppression? Often we hear that all first world countries have some sort of government ran healthcare system which is true. At the same time all first world countries require some sort of identification to vote. I am not understanding why it’s a difficult process.

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@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

what do you mean millions of people?

I mean millions of people function in our society without valid ID.

By functioning, do you mean that they vote?

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@Borgia_dude

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@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

have

How many?

Zero. Now find a documented example and prove me wrong.

Zero what?

Zero many.

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@FlameHeart

But if the bill of rights and the fourteenth amendment applies to everyone…then why are there laws that refute this?

I guess I’m just not understanding. I do not know the exact language of the 14th amdendment.

The 15th Amendment limits the right to vote to citizens. States, however, may extend the right to vote to non-citizens for State votes.

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@Borgia_dude

@Guvnah

@Borgia_dude

We were discussing the elderly (80+ for example), who can’t do any online renewals.

Cool. If they don’t renew, they can’t pick up their meds at the pharmacy either.

They’ll renew.

So do you believe that all (not absolute) old people have ID?

What does age have to do with it? I had an ID long before I got old.

Age can make getting a new ID less relevant (maybe stopped driving) and less easy (over 79 cannot renew online).

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@Borgia_dude

It sure sounds like people here are arguing that to function in today’s society one must have an ID. If I assume that to be true, then only the homeless would not have ID.

Is the assumption of truth correct though?

If indeed that is the case, then its not an issue with voting. To be registered to vote, one must be able to prove their eligibility which usually means their residency.

And if the premise of needing an ID to function is wrong…