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@Samm

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@Oryx

@PurpnGold

Doesn’t Trump have a golden toilet?

Very presidential!

He’s looking really young there. Being the President must agree with him.

Trump has great genes. Look at how the office took it’s toll on Obama. That doesn’t happen when you have genes like Trump.

I heard sitting on gold chairs and toilets is better for your health than eating ice cream from a 24 million dollar fridge.

[westaussie]

Starting with the most obvious: not everyone has a driver’s licence. A person may have driven another person or people to the polling place. One doesn’t need a driver’s licence to be a passenger. One could also have travelled by Shanks’s pony to the polling place.

[LucyLou]

@matt1618

I was just showing that your premise was absurd.

Now, you originally said this:

The push for voter id is purely and simply voter suppression.

I responded to an absurd premise that you yourself made… Now, explain to me how showing for voter id is voter suppression.

All I said was that if one drives to a voting location, you have to have a drivers license to get there, otherwise what you did to get there it is illegal. You should have a drivers license to get there. Since one has to have a drivers license to drive to get there, why is is suppresive to say that you have to have a drivers license just to drive there. But in any case. Back up what you yourself said. You yourself said it suppresses the vote, to show something that you yourself needed in order to drive to get to that location. However, you yourself started off with a false premise. How in the world does it suppress the vote to show an ID? You yourself made that statement that it suppresses the vote. What evidence do you have that shows that it suppresses the vote?

Why do you think everyone drives to the polling place?

[markdido]

@westaussie

Starting with the most obvious: not everyone has a driver’s licence. A person may have driven another person or people to the polling place. One doesn’t need a driver’s licence to be a passenger. One could also have travelled by Shanks’s pony to the polling place.

Thank you for taking such an interest in our elections.

Maybe you should work on getting the Australian laws changed so that you can’t be fined for NOT voting in OZ. Fair enough?

"In Australia voting is considered compulsory for all adult citizens, although it is not compulsory to be registered on the electoral roll and is therefore difficult to enforce.

Voting is only enforceable for those on the roll. Failure to cast a ballot may result in a small fine, currently AU$20."

[matt1618]

Sure but most people have drivers licenses, very few do not, and everybody knows that many have other IDs. n order to function in society one must have IDs in some fashion or another. Not having IDs lead to fraud. Most people drive to polling places, and if they are driving other people, the passengers will have IDs and picture IDs and most have drivers licenses. In every single state, there are alternatives, state ids are for the few who don’t have drivers licenses. Not having picture IDs can easily lead to fraud. Someone can walk in, say they are such and such a person, that political parties can identify who has not voted and anybody can walk in cast a vote, and no one can know the difference. And it can’t be documented. Picture ID stops the fraudulent possibilities, and people have access to state ids even for those who do not have drivers licenses .

[matt1618]

Most people do, and passengers with them who would vote would have drivers licenses as well. In order to function in society every needs some identification, and every single state has alternatives picture IDs for those who don’t have drivers licenses. Not having ID requirements leads to the possibility of fraud. In Virginia, our KKK governor just signed into law to do away with picture ID. I’ve always had my drivers license, others around me have drivers license, white, black, brown, etc. Now, what is to stop anybody to go early, use my name, say they are me, and cast a vote in my name? Then I come and someone says ‘You already voted, you can’t vote again.’ What is to stop that from happening? Most likely people will find people who haven’t voted, can vote for somebody’s name with no picture ID to validate who you are. Why open up to that possibility?

[LucyLou]

@matt1618

Most people do, and passengers with them who would vote would have drivers licenses as well. In order to function in society every needs some identification, and every single state has alternatives picture IDs for those who don’t have drivers licenses. Not having ID requirements leads to the possibility of fraud. In Virginia, our KKK governor just signed into law to do away with picture ID. I’ve always had my drivers license, others around me have drivers license, white, black, brown, etc. Now, what is to stop anybody to go early, use my name, say they are me, and cast a vote in my name? Then I come and someone says ‘You already voted, you can’t vote again.’ What is to stop that from happening? Most likely people will find people who haven’t voted, can vote for somebody’s name with no picture ID to validate who you are. Why open up to that possibility?

You would think that would be rampant, showing up to vote, only to be told that you already voted.

Instead, it’s not. Have you ever seen that happen?

[matt1618]

Hasn’t happened before because I’ve had to show a picture ID. The requirement prevents that from happening. Now with the KKK governor removing the requirement, who knows what will happen going forward. No need to show a picture ID, who is to stop someone from fraudulently voting for someone who hasn’t voted in years, hey I’m John Smith, get in line, vote. How can you prove that is a fraudulent vote? Anybody who functions in society has a picture ID, most have drivers licenses, others have alternatives, even if let us see they are close enough to walk to the polling place. The question is, how does it suppress the vote to show an ID that you must have to function, take part in society?

[Piper]

@westaussie

The push for voter id is purely and simply voter suppression.

Suppression of illegal voters. That’s a good thing.

[westaussie]

You might like to actually find out what the law is; it is certainly not what you have outlined in your post. To help you, please see what the Australian Electoral Commission has to say about it:

Enrol to vote

I am a very strong supporter of our current electoral laws.

[westaussie]

Not everyone has a driver’s licence. Not everyone has “picture IDs”. That equates to voter suppression.

[westaussie]

No, it is a base attempt to minimise voting by minorities.

[Borgia_dude]

@matt1618

I was just showing that your premise was absurd.

Now, you originally said this:

The push for voter id is purely and simply voter suppression.

I responded to an absurd premise that you yourself made… Now, explain to me how showing for voter id is voter suppression.

All I said was that if one drives to a voting location, you have to have a drivers license to get there, otherwise what you did to get there it is illegal. You should have a drivers license to get there. Since one has to have a drivers license to drive to get there, why is is suppresive to say that you have to have a drivers license just to drive there. But in any case. Back up what you yourself said. You yourself said it suppresses the vote, to show something that you yourself needed in order to drive to get to that location. However, you yourself started off with a false premise. How in the world does it suppress the vote to show an ID? You yourself made that statement that it suppresses the vote. What evidence do you have that shows that it suppresses the vote?

So your premise is everyone drives to their voting location and you want to discuss false premises? Hmmm…

[Borgia_dude]

@matt1618

Sure but most people have drivers licenses, very few do not

So your premise that everyone should have a drivers license was a false premise. Excellent.

[Borgia_dude]

@matt1618

Someone can walk in, say they are such and such a person, that political parties can identify who has not voted and anybody can walk in cast a vote, and no one can know the difference. And it can’t be documented.

Have you shown this to actually be a problem? It seems that is another one of your premises.

[Borgia_dude]

@matt1618

question is, how does it suppress the vote to show an ID that you must have to function, take part in society?

The elderly don’t really need an ID to function in society if they don’t drive. Nobody will ID alcohol purchases. Their money is likely direct deposited. Explain why they need an ID?

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

Sure but most people have drivers licenses, very few do not

So your premise that everyone should have a drivers license was a false premise. Excellent.

Already addressed.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

question is, how does it suppress the vote to show an ID that you must have to function, take part in society?

The elderly don’t really need an ID to function in society if they don’t drive. Nobody will ID alcohol purchases. Their money is likely direct deposited. Explain why they need an ID?

To vote.

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

question is, how does it suppress the vote to show an ID that you must have to function, take part in society?

The elderly don’t really need an ID to function in society if they don’t drive. Nobody will ID alcohol purchases. Their money is likely direct deposited. Explain why they need an ID?

To vote.

Quit being silly.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@matt1618

question is, how does it suppress the vote to show an ID that you must have to function, take part in society?

The elderly don’t really need an ID to function in society if they don’t drive. Nobody will ID alcohol purchases. Their money is likely direct deposited. Explain why they need an ID?

To vote.

Quit being silly.

To get their medicine. Who do old people vote for?