My amazing answer to the Ukraine war

His words.

weve been over this before. he says the exact same things about Moldova (which will be next) the Baltics and parts of Poland he said about Ukraine pre invasion. Why shouldn’t I believe him? They are already pushing the asymmetrical warfare there, next is the little green men that will lead “separatist movements”. In the end, NATO will be involved militarily. There is one way to stop it. Make sure Russia does not win in Ukraine. These things are just true, they are on the table and Putin has put them there. Denial doesn’t make them not true, refusal to acknowledge them does not make them not exist.

and what do you offer? MAGA bumper stickers.

When you can explain how Russia winning a war of conquest in Europe benefits us, come back and try again.

Quote him.

“Get back to me”

We trade with Russia

We will trade with Russian europe

NATO and its entangling alliances would be irrelevant or gone

Europe would not be doing that woke crap anymore

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/30/putin-russia-ukraine-baltic-sea-latvia-lithuania-estonia-sabotage-maritime-borders/

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13kvq0d/russias_dmitry_medvedev_claims_baltic_countries/?rdt=60883

That’s just a few.

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this is not reality, it is your Putin fantasy

Now, all of that said. I happen to agree we need to change our status in NATO. Not drop out of it, but change to “observer” status. This accomplishes two things.

  1. Frees us up to build on ANZUS bringing in SK, Thailand, Philippines, Japan, and eventually Taiwan and India. This will keep China in its box.
  2. Allows “strategic ambiguity” with regard to NATO making Russia think twice about trying anything and the EU doubtful enough to behave.

That however cannot be done until Ukraine is settled and a part of NATO. If Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine, it can’t be done at all.

You’re saying you cannot make funding to Ukraine budget neutral?
Hogwash!
:rofl:

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Yes it would! It would be mildly hilarious to have them explain why they cannot make aid to Ukraine budget neutral. Why their only way is to go further into debt.

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None of that is Putin saying he is going to attack a NATO countries.

I don’t have putin fantasies

How is it not reality? You feel if Russia took over europe, they wouldn’t trade with the US?

Is that the purview of the US?

Agreed. But if he isn’t stopped in Ukraine, then where? I’m ok with doing the right thing like defending people from a fascist invasion. If our troops are not involved and it’s budged neutral.

Unprovoked insult?

What happens after you get your laugh?

Republicans still have to decide what they’re going to do regarding Ukraine. You’ll have to decide what to cut or fund or if Ukraine is even a concern of American foreign policy.

You can taunt and tease the Democrats, but you can’t transfer responsibility to them.

Trump said he would end the war in a day and you’ve flipped that into a fantasy about the Dems being put into a bind to pay for more support.

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I like my idea. I’m staying with it.

I don’t believe that. I also didn’t believe that he would get Me-he-co to pay for the wall. But I believed in about 90 percent of his policies. Which is why I’m thrilled that he won. And I still like my idea.
:sunglasses:

Wherever Europe decides to stop him. It’s not a North American problem.

What makes Putin fascist? How is a Russian fascist worst than an english communist or a Norwegian socialist? From an American perspective of course.

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Ongoing argument

It’s an awful idea. If the Republicans want to pass legislation spending less on Americans to continue funding the war in Ukraine, after Trump said he’d end it in a day on an America First agenda, go for it. Dems would be fools to take any part in it.