Musk's peace plan

[Orygun]

Interesting how these peace proposals are coming out and being supported by some folks here…now that Russia is firmly losing.

[Cratic3947]

@Orygun

Interesting how these peace proposals are coming out and being supported by some folks here…now that Russia is firmly losing.

The Russians are either losing or doing the modern equivalent of the mongolian retreat. We shall see in November.

[Orygun]

@Cratic3947

The Russians are either losing or doing the modern equivalent of the mongolian retreat. We shall see in November.

No they’re losing. For real.

[FreeAndClear]

@Cratic3947

@FreeAndClear

@Cratic3947

You know right now the equivalent of “the Hunt for the red october is going on” . Russia’s giant dooms day nuke sub has gone off radar. It carries the biggest nuke in history that can travel 5000 miles under water to it’s target. Very scary!

Let’s hope someone finds a peace plan…

Let’s certainly hope so. One that doesn’t include ceding territory to score Internet points with the following.

What if they redo the vote in those regions with good international observations. They are mostly ethnic russian in population…

First of all they are mostly Russian speakers. Who they were ethnically is up for debate.

The country voted 30 years ago. Who won then?

[Orygun]

I also love the “Lets have a vote!” after millions have been forcibly removed to Russia (or murdered) from those regions. Democracy!

[Cratic3947]

@Orygun

@Cratic3947

The Russians are either losing or doing the modern equivalent of the mongolian retreat. We shall see in November.

No they’re losing. For real.

Looks like they are losing, but if you are doing the mongolian retreat you have to make people believe it. And they are certainly building up a large force behind the lines…

[JayJay]

Russis supposedly started this whole thing because of “security concerns”.

So here’s the deal.

Cease fire, withdraw. Rescind the annexation articles.

Then we can have a multilateral discussion about security concerns.

None of what Musk proposes (save for possibly Russia keeping Crimea…for historical reasons, that tracks) is even remotely doable while Russians occupy those territories.

[FreeAndClear]

I’d even be for a plebiscite after Russia withdraws all forces. Though it’s funny how i get to tell ap sovereign nation how to vote on its borders

[Orygun]

@FreeAndClear

I’d even be for a plebiscite after Russia withdraws all forces.

Only after they return every single Ukrainian hostage…I mean citizen…back to Ukraine.

[FreeAndClear]

Including the children.

[Bill.in.PA]

National Socialists are now cool but only if they are Ukrainian national socialists.

Given the furious response from the Ukrainian government, how long will it be before Musk appears on Mirotvorets, their quasi-official hit list for enemies of the state?

Roger Waters added to Ukrainian govt-sponsored hit list - The Grayzone

[Gaius]

I have read Elon Musk’s opinion.

I am now awaiting opinions from

• Selena Gomez
• Aaron Judge, and
• That Mayhem Guy from the Allstate commercials.

Once they have weighed in I’ll let you know whose opinion is best.

[WuWei]

@Orygun

No they’re losing. For real.

“Losing” is a state, not an outcome. For real.

[Jezcoe]

@Cratic3947

@Orygun

@Cratic3947

The Russians are either losing or doing the modern equivalent of the mongolian retreat. We shall see in November.

No they’re losing. For real.

Looks like they are losing, but if you are doing the mongolian retreat you have to make people believe it. And they are certainly building up a large force behind the lines…

Building it up with what?

[conan]

@FreeAndClear

There is that it’s NATO’s fault position again.

So NATO/EU are completely innocent in all this?

[FreeAndClear]

@conan

@FreeAndClear

There is that it’s NATO’s fault position again.

So NATO/EU are completely innocent in all this?

No of course not. They have a lot to do with the relationship between former Soviet republics and Russia. They have little to do with the invasion in and of itself.

[conan]

@JayJay

Ukraine is a breadbasket, and there is also oil, gas and minerals there.

And EU has no interest in Ukraine because of those resources?

[conan]

@JayJay

Especially since a mobster needs to keep expanding areas of control because monster ways are not efficient.

Did you just describe EU?

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

They have little to do with the invasion in and of itself.

Balderdash.

[Bill.in.PA]

Putin has said that he will all weapons at his disposal to defend Russia, and it considers the annexed areas of Ukraine to be integral part of Russia.

So if Ukraine is really successful, a likely result would be nuclear war.

Biden has said that the US will respond in “in-kind” response if chemical weapons are used in Ukraine, and he has refused to rule the first use of nuclear weapons.

US response to Russian chemical weapons would be 'in kind': Biden

Biden refuses to rule out first-strike use of nukes

When would Biden order a first use of nukes? The US is broadcasting plans to use Wiesbaden, Germany, as its command center for NATO missile strikes on Russia from Ukraine. What happens if Russian cruise missiles take out the command center after NATO attacks on Russian cities? Would Biden use nukes to respond?

If there is chemical release in Ukraine, will the US respond in kind with a chemical attack on Russian forces?

Of course there are many other scenarios. The basic problem is that Washington appears to be pushing escalation and threats instead of working for a diplomatic settlement. The longer this goes on, the greater the risk of nuclear war.