And if crimea doesn’t get annexed they don’t do it at all.
This is a silly path to head down.
WuWei
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What you’re saying makes no sense. They starved their own people because… Russia?
WuWei
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Reparations? Negotiations? How long does it take agriculture to come back?
The next spring after the dam gets blown….
When you say agriculture are you referring to mass production? Right? Starving? What century do you think crimea and Russia in general are operating in?
JayJay
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No one was starving. But it was costing Russia an arm and a leg to ship water in.
This one event Does not mean Ukraine is a bad actor on par with Russia. You are correct they wouldn’t have had to do it at all had Russia not taken over Crimea.
So it was payback. It should’ve been addressed in the court Russia took it to, but it’s no excuse for Russia to come in and try and roll over the entire country.
I know I was responding to your post, even though The response was mostly for sneaky and partly for you.
JayJay
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As a matter of fact…
According to official Russian statistics, the Crimean agricultural industry fully overcame the consequences of blocking the North Crimean Canal and crop yields grew by a factor of 1.5 from 2013 by 2016.[9] The reported rapid growth in agricultural production in the Crimea is due to the fact that, with the help of subsidies of the order of 2–3 billion rubles a year from the budget of the Russian Federation, agricultural producers of Crimea were able to increase the fleet of agricultural machinery.
So just as I said… Crimea wasn’t starving. In fact it was flourishing. It was just costing Russia a lot more money than if Ukraine hadn’t cut off the water.
This is a Wikipedia page, but the links exist on that page that back up the text I quoted above.
It’s also a huge tourist draw. I actually went to a summer camp there when i was a young pioneer. (Soviet Boy Scouts but more political obviously)
For like four years in a row.
Also now You can see people on beaches with smoke coming from distant infrastructure.
I am just interested in what @WuWei thinks these areas are like.
JayJay
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On another note, the Nuland Tape, if it is to be believed, puts another hole in the idea that “EU expansionism did this”.
To the degree anybody can be blamed, the US can be blamed more than the EU. Because the most famous quote from that tape is Nuland saying “ ■■■■ the EU”.
And why was she saying that? Because the EU wanted a more neutral moderate person to take over the new government of Ukraine, and Nuland backed a more anti-Russian person.
And that person became president.
I can say with some certainty that our Navy is pulling out all of their toys to find it. We have undersea sonar arrays that if it makes ONE noise, it will be located. In fact, this MAY be the sub my daughter found when she was on shore duty a few years ago when she was on the IUSS team. She told me afterwards when she was home about a new russian sub they were looking for, and how she was able to detect it. A 2 Star came in at 1am to personally talk to her about it and told her that a lot of very important people just got a phone call because of her.
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WuWei
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It’s not one event and you know it.
Guntsu
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Putin had to invade! They were starving them!
I am more worried about the invasion in the U.S.
Europe can handle Russia fairly easily without us. I don’t see them helping us with this problem if anything their leaders are mostly encouraging it.
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conan
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Musk posted this…2012 election.
This was 2010 election where pro Russia pres that west basically overthrown.
