Musk Acquires Twitter

[Gaius]

@moonshine

brazil law requires a company to have a local representative
Musk refused to name one so they were banned.
not he says that starlink will ignore the ban in brazil.
its expected that the judge will seize starlinks ground operation facilities there.

this is the same musk that had no problems removing certain turkish accounts that turkey wanted gone.
it seems that x only wants certain free speech.

Right.
And the case(s) against Donald Trump really would have happened to any private citizen. The fraud case was 100% about fraud and not at all about him being candidate Trump.

An old college friend used to say
“Anyone that naive is going to be a liberal and there is no fixing that.”

[TommyLucchese]

@Jezcoe

He had no problem blocking people at the request of Modi’s government.

So….

Musk had no problem shadow-banning Modi’s opposition during the election. He also had no problem kissing the feet of Erdogan when it came to his political opposition either.

But forget that. At the end of the day, this is insane for business reasons. Brazil is Twitter’s like third largest market. Musk is already on the verge of getting his notes called in, which he’ll have to unload Tesla stock to pay.

[TommyLucchese]

Your boy is melted. Look at this ■■■■

[DougBH]

Not sure what you mean by Musk is melted. Because he posted a theory about society being predominantly made up of followers led by a minority of elitists? Seems like an arguable hypothesis though it has nothing to do with whether government control of speech should be acceptable.

[SeaManatee]

It’s only going to make them like him more.

And call you a beta. That’s beta bait.

[Gaius]

@TommyLucchese

@Jezcoe

He had no problem blocking people at the request of Modi’s government.

So….

Musk had no problem shadow-banning Modi’s opposition during the election. He also had no problem kissing the feet of Erdogan when it came to his political opposition either.

But forget that. At the end of the day, this is insane for business reasons. Brazil is Twitter’s like third largest market. Musk is already on the verge of getting his notes called in, which he’ll have to unload Tesla stock to pay.

Musk ended the shadow bans.

The month he bought twitter con and moderate jounalists and media personalities reported 200-500% increase in followers and views.

It had been a lefty echo chamber and dishonestly so. Now it is an open forum that many libs have chosen to boycott because dissenting views are allowed.

[Gaius]

@TommyLucchese

@Jezcoe

He had no problem blocking people at the request of Modi’s government.

So….

Musk had no problem shadow-banning Modi’s opposition during the election. He also had no problem kissing the feet of Erdogan when it came to his political opposition either.

But forget that. At the end of the day, this is insane for business reasons. Brazil is Twitter’s like third largest market. Musk is already on the verge of getting his notes called in, which he’ll have to unload Tesla stock to pay.

I once watched a film (Shawshank Redemeption) that included a character who was beaten and rape d in prison.

By your logic if he did not fight back one time then either

• he enjoyed it and is not opposed to being raped
  and/or
• he somehow forfeited his right to ever fight back later.

Your logic is idiotic.

Elon Musk is opposed to censorship.
Like the character Andy Dufresne, he caved when he knew he’d lose.
That does not mean he supports censorship and it does not take away his right to fight it when and where he can.

(Oh I also know a guy who owns a liquor store and once, he did not fight back against some robbers. Is he ever allowed to fight back in the future or has he forfeited that right too?)

[Zander]

Equating musk’s decision to censor speech on twitter to being forcibly raped in prison is objectively hilarious. I would start over on a new piece of paper and just burn that one.

[Gaius]

Oh okay.

The people of country 'A" once bowed down to their local dictator.

By some peoples’ logic that means they really don’t care about free speech and have now forever and permanently given up their right to fight for it.

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Also a kid used to get bullied every day on his way to school. Because several times he did not fight back that means she is not really opposed to bullying and has forever and permanently given up his right to oppose bullies.
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Better?

[Zander]

No, musk is not a people being oppressed by a dictator.

He is also not a kid who gets bullied everyday on the way to school.

You are just picking random instances of oppression and trying to equate them to a billionaire who labels himself a high value individual censoring speech on his private company.

Your analogies are terrible, essentially satire.

[Gaius]

Love my analogies or hate them the point stands.
The left is claiming Elon Musk, having caved in once has never forever and permanently lost all right to stand up for free speech.

It is a moronic argument and you know it

[Zander]

Are you sure he only caved in “once” on censorship? Just once? And was he forced to do it like your analogies require?

Nobody said he doesn’t have a right to do it. We’re saying he doesn’t have a right to do it without being mocked for the obvious inconsistency.

[Jezcoe]

@DougBH

Not sure what you mean by Musk is melted. Because he posted a theory about society being predominantly made up of followers led by a minority of elitists? Seems like an arguable hypothesis though it has nothing to do with whether government control of speech should be acceptable.

What exactly is arguable about that hypothesis?

[Jezcoe]

@Gaius

@TommyLucchese

@Jezcoe

He had no problem blocking people at the request of Modi’s government.

So….

Musk had no problem shadow-banning Modi’s opposition during the election. He also had no problem kissing the feet of Erdogan when it came to his political opposition either.

But forget that. At the end of the day, this is insane for business reasons. Brazil is Twitter’s like third largest market. Musk is already on the verge of getting his notes called in, which he’ll have to unload Tesla stock to pay.

I once watched a film (Shawshank Redemeption) that included a character who was beaten and rape d in prison.

By your logic if he did not fight back one time then either

• he enjoyed it and is not opposed to being raped
  and/or
• he somehow forfeited his right to ever fight back later.

Your logic is idiotic.

Elon Musk is opposed to censorship.
Like the character Andy Dufresne, he caved when he knew he’d lose.
That does not mean he supports censorship and it does not take away his right to fight it when and where he can.

(Oh I also know a guy who owns a liquor store and once, he did not fight back against some robbers. Is he ever allowed to fight back in the future or has he forfeited that right too?)

Elon Musk is perhaps the wealthiest man in the world.

To compare him to a fictional character in a prison is very very silly

[DougBH]

@Zander

No, musk is not a people being oppressed by a dictator.

Who cares about Musk being oppressed? What is important is the right of people in Russia, and Iran and Venezuela and Brazil to have access a platform to express their opinions without interference by their governments.
And the spread of the ideology that “misinformation”, as defined by governments, is not protected speech.

[Gaius]

Here’s what’s really going on

There is a prominent election denier
→ No not Hillary Clinton, (she denied a different election)
→ No not Joe Biden, (He also declared a different election illegitimate,
→ No not Kamala Harris she denied a different election
(Got a video of each of them denying elections if you need it for reference)

The prominent election denier I am referring to is named Jair Bolsonaro and he denies the legitimacy of a Brazilian election. The (questionably legitimate) lefty Brazilian government wants them silenced and Elon Musk has chosen to fight this issue.

In the US when it happens, the American left asks only one question, “Is the election denier a lefty or a righty. If he is a righty we support any effort to silence him.” They have taken an identical view here.

[Jezcoe]

@Gaius

The prominent election denier I am referring to is named Jair Bolsonaro and he denies the legitimacy of a Brazilian election. The (questionably legitimate) lefty Brazilian government wants them silenced and Elon Musk has chosen to fight this issue.

Yeah… he did it because he likes Bolsanaro.

If Bolsanaro was in charge, Musk would have zero problems with honoring Brazil’s request. But he isn’t so Musk refuses to do the bare minimum to have a corporate representative in the country so the laws of that nation affect his business.

He is free to do as he likes… it’s his playground… but if he refuses to follow the laws of a sovereign nation then that nation gets to enforce its laws against his corporation.

[TommyLucchese]

@Jezcoe

Yeah… he did it because he like Bolsanaro.

If Bolsanaro was in charge, Musk would have zero problems with honoring Brazil’s request. But he isn’t so Musk refuses to do the bare minimum to have a corporate representative in the country so the laws of that nation affect his business.

He is free to as he likes… it’s his playground… but if he refuses to follow the laws of a sovereign nation then that nation gets to enforce its laws against his corporation.

I’m slowly realizing that our free market believers don’t understand how subsidiaries of multinational companies work. Econ 101 stuff. Corporate subsidiaries are established in that country according to the laws of that country, or even states within the country like we do here.

[Jezcoe]

@TommyLucchese

@Jezcoe

Yeah… he did it because he like Bolsanaro.

If Bolsanaro was in charge, Musk would have zero problems with honoring Brazil’s request. But he isn’t so Musk refuses to do the bare minimum to have a corporate representative in the country so the laws of that nation affect his business.

He is free to as he likes… it’s his playground… but if he refuses to follow the laws of a sovereign nation then that nation gets to enforce its laws against his corporation.

I’m slowly realizing that our free market believers don’t understand how subsidiaries of multinational companies work. Econ 101 stuff. Corporate subsidiaries are established in that country according to the laws of that country, or even states within the country like we do here.

Also… we shouldn’t pretend that Musk is some absolutist free speech warrior.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4061600-musk-says-cis-cisgender-considered-slurs-on-twitter/

It’s his playground and he gets to set the rules… but he doesn’t get to have it both ways.

[Nemesis]

Exactly, Musk owns X it’s his platform he gets to decide what is posted and what is not. No different to Facebook, Truth Social etc.