More and more, people's sentiments are divorced from reality and tied to party identification

[STODR]

@tnt

@Oryx

I’m guessing he’s saying the left is miserable too, which is true. During the first three years of Trump the economy was great, we were at peace, etc., but people on the left were beside themselves with fear and loathing. I wonder if CNN wrote an article about that?

I don’t remember people freaking out about the economy. I remember them freaking out about the debt, the giveaway to teh wealthy, siding with russia over our intel, his flirtation with racism, his idiotic wall, his pulling out of the iranian deal which lead to their quick advancement board nukes, his love affair with a dictator, and a bunch of other stuff.

But at least we all had work.

Lol the perfect example of what JayJay was talking about.

[SixFoot]

As long as y’all stay off my lawn I’m good.

[Axxowiz]

It depends on who defines what a back to normalcy is. A 5% rise in inflation doesn’t hurt me much I would imagine does to impact people on a fixed income. Rising crime and maddening deficit spending doesn’t need to become to the new normal.

Before you think I am blaming just the Democrats I blame China first and the pukes that enriched that communist cockroach regime. Then I blame the Democrats. Republicans and Fed for printing money and deficit spending. We are at an alarming rise in debt both sides pushing it up and up, if history is to be our guide (Japan being the exception) it hurts the value and buying power of a country’s currency. I wouldn’t be surprised we get another downgrade in our global credit rating.

[JimmyC]

CNN did do a similar article 4 years ago, saying many of the same things as in the current article, which makes sense given both articles were written by the same person.

'Unprecedented' divide: Democrats fear recession, Republicans see a boom

[toreyj01]

@peek-a-boo

Let’s ignore your spin on this and just take a look at your subject line.

I lean right on most issues and left on fewer issues. My leanings were formed over the course of my 70 years of experience. I’m certain, you have a similar experience regarding your leanings.

When I look at the political landscape the party most closely matching my political leanings is the Republican party. Your title seems to suggest that I have blindly pledged my allegiance to the Republican party and that I’m divorced from reality.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I’m able to look at the economy independent of which party is in power. I’m considered wealthy by most measures and I’ve accumulated that wealth under both Republican and Democrat administrations. While I prefer GOP policies, I have come to believe that when it comes to economic growth, the private sector is pretty much able to thrive regardless of who is sitting in the WH.

I am just putting this out there, since Trump is gone, I have really enjoyed a lot of your posts. Take it as you will.

[W_and_C]

Even though OP appears to be a bit partisan in and of itself, the message is generally right. People on both (and really more than just two) sides of the political divide are divorced from reality.

What matters more than the truth is “Go Blue Team!” or “Go Red Team!” and if truth conflicts with those perceptions, most are simply saying “To hell with the truth then”

[peek-a-boo]

@toreyj01

I am just putting this out there, since Trump is gone, I have really enjoyed a lot of your posts. Take it as you will.

With Trump I refused to condemn him for much of his behavior. I’m thinking DEMs mistook that for blind Trump loyalty. I really didn’t care about anything other than his results. I’m trying to follow that same pattern with Biden. Just like I didn’t condemn Trump’s behavior, I refuse to attack Biden’s. I’m hoping that demonstrates my even handedness.

[WuWei]

@STODR

Lol the perfect example of what JayJay was talking about.

I was thinking the same thing earlier. Like it was coordinated.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Impenitent

those who forget history…

hello Weimar

Do you “remember” the history of the Weimar Republic?

Or is this just buzzword-politics reference?

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@Impenitent

those who forget history…

hello Weimar

Do you “remember” the history of the Weimar Republic?

Or is this just buzzword-politics reference?

No, but I was kind of hoping to avoid reliving it.

[YOSUP]

@JayJay

Or, I should say, people’s sentiments are driven by their party identification and that identification drives them to look at only those parts of reality that conform to what they’ve already chosen to believe.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/29/economy/consumer-confidence-republican-democrat/index.html

Until Donald Trump, consumer sentiment never was this tightly tied to party identification as it is now.

Totally amazing that consumer sentiment nationally has stayed about the same, but Dems and GOP simply switched how they felt about the economy pre-Trump and post-Trump.

Now the Dems look at rapidly falling unemployment, a booming stock market, and increase in “back to normalcy” measures and their confidence is sky high.

But Republicans look at high inflation, disrupted supply chains, and companies unable to hire workers at the wages they would like to hire them at and believe the country and the economy are headed to Hell.

Reality of course is probably somewhere in the middle, but people will fight for their perceptions now until the cows come home.

When those who disagree with you aren’t just wrong, but evil and anti-American…can it be any other way?

(Yes it’s a CNN article and so the headline is biased against the GOP pessimism, as is the article. I tried not to be because inflation and the idea that we can keep printing money with no ill effects are things I worry about even as I rejoice in the improving economy).

This is true on both sides of the aisle! Your premise isn’t just exclusive to republicans.

[Paul_Thomson]

@JayJay

No my thesis was that consumer sentiment now more closely correlates with how you identify vis a vis the party in power than it ever has before, and this sentiment will drive people to focus only on that part of reality that jibes with their preconceived sentiment.

It has nothing to do with if one can personally thrive no matter what.

It has to do with what one’s outlook is on the overall economy.

My guess is you think the economy is in sorry shape right now. Not your personal well being…the economy.

Am I right or am I wrong?

You may be confusing correlation with causation… with a little projection thrown in, as well.

[zantax]

Political parties have to be understood as a form of supermind, superminds are groups of humans acting as computational units for a group purpose, that purpose is always to make sure that group continues, no different than a biological entity really. The purpose of the Democratic or Republican superminds are the same, survival of those parties. Not betterment of the country or even betterment of the members of that group, just survival of that supermind. That’s it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075D6FCLB/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

[zantax]

Though that book goes a bit dystopian with a bit of Chinese system worship and he appears to get a bit excited of the idea of a state that controls every aspect of your life while being a techno surveillance nighmare, he isn’t wrong about superminds, the market being a classic example. And I like his idea of liquid or market democracy.

Liquid or market democracy is basically, you divide the political realm into categories we already have, foreign policy, agriculture, national security etc. You can vote yourself on every law or, you can give or sell, if you want it to be a market, your proxy to someone you trust in that area. How brilliant is that? So if say 50 million people give their proxy to individual x, he calls the shots on say foreign policy.

[EternalVigilance]

It’s entirely possible to loath Donald Trump and also believe that progressive Democratic governance is a FAR greater danger to the long term stability of the Republic.

[biggestal99]

@zantax

Oh, look, you have been left behind by today’s left, capitalism is racist, everything needs to be shut down to address the climate crisis. None of this greedy running around spewing carbon nonsense.

Simply not true. I am a democrat and strongly believe in capitalism, have worked for the same fortune 50 company for the last 34 years. My entire future is riding on capitalism. There is a difference between the liberal and progressive wings of the Democratic Party. Right now the libs are in control.

If that changes in the future I will let you know.

Allan

[biggestal99]

@EternalVigilance

It’s entirely possible to loath Donald Trump and also believe that progressive Democratic governance is a FAR greater danger to the long term stability of the Republic

The progs are not in control. Lol.

Allan

[Borgia_dude]

@JayJay

@zantax

Oh, look, you have been left behind by today’s left, capitalism is racist, everything needs to be shut down to address the climate crisis. None of this greedy running around spewing carbon nonsense.

Um…what?

Zantax prefers the CEC caricature of the left versus reality. Sad.

[Borgia_dude]

@tnt

@Oryx

I’m guessing he’s saying the left is miserable too, which is true. During the first three years of Trump the economy was great, we were at peace, etc., but people on the left were beside themselves with fear and loathing. I wonder if CNN wrote an article about that?

I don’t remember people freaking out about the economy. I remember them freaking out about the debt, the giveaway to teh wealthy, siding with russia over our intel, his flirtation with racism, his idiotic wall, his pulling out of the iranian deal which lead to their quick advancement board nukes, his love affair with a dictator, and a bunch of other stuff.

But at least we all had work.

This is my memory as well. Heck, as the monthly jobs reports came out I congratulated Trump on the good economy.

[zantax]

@Borgia_dude

@JayJay

@zantax

Oh, look, you have been left behind by today’s left, capitalism is racist, everything needs to be shut down to address the climate crisis. None of this greedy running around spewing carbon nonsense.

Um…what?

Zantax prefers the CEC caricature of the left versus reality. Sad.

Zantax actually listens to what the left says and reads what they write.