Minimum wage in 2022

[Guntsu]

@Smyrna

Why was the subject of refugees brought up? His whole rant was to rail against Trump’s move of not allowing people in from those countries that were rated as having a high percentage of radical Islamists in it. That was his ONLY motive. Now stop trying to rewrite the truth.

I literally quoted his words…from the link you provided…are you ok?

[Samm]

@Toll_Collector

@komobu

@Toll_Collector

To be honest, if I’m at a restaurant, i’d rather have a person over some dumb gimmick like a robot or balloon, drone, trained dog or monkey, what have you.

Sure, but then you pay more for that service, and the baristas are trained like any other profession.

The problem is the vast majority of people would rather get their stuff as cheaply as possible. I personally would much rather a machine. If my order gets screwed up it is because I screwed up, not because some stoner couldnt get it right.

You’re giving people too much credit. Most people want cheaper without a loss in quality. The general public has always had a hard time with the concept of you get what you pay for. They instead complain, as opposed to coming to that realization. As cheaper options become available, service dwindles because the more expensive option is out of business.

And yet people will pay $3 for a 50 cent cup of coffee simply because it’s called an Americano.

[Smyrna]

@Guntsu

I literally quoted his words…from the link you provided…are you ok?

“link” and that’s all it is. It will provide some insight but it’s up to you to fill in what the link doesn’t provide and if you were there and heard the exchange when it happened, you could do that. Obviously, you can’t and don’t take it so personal.

[DMK]

@Tom_Ch

If you are offering good pay, you’ll attract many candidates to choose from. If you offer lousy pay, you’ll get fewer candidates and their work will be lousy.

An unskilled sixteen year old wants to start learning carpentry as a part time job.

What should a skilled carpenter, business owner, pay him?

@Tom_Ch

Instead of crying about no one want to work, think about why they don’t want to work for YOU!

In the above example, the 16 year old knows he has no value or skill but is willing to learn and is grateful for the opportunity at minimum wage.

Or, the 16 year old could say he is worth more than minimum wage. With an attitude like that, he’ll be turned away by pretty much everyone.

There are a lot of people with the latter attitude these days.

[Guntsu]

@Smyrna

“link” and that’s all it is. It will provide some insight but it’s up to you to fill in what the link doesn’t provide and if you were there and heard the exchange when it happened, you could do that. Obviously, you can’t and don’t take it so personal.

His statement is quoted in the article…

Anyways no worries, this was fun

[Guntsu]

@DMK

An unskilled sixteen year old wants to start learning carpentry as a part time job.

What should a skilled carpenter, business owner, pay him?

Whatever the business owner believes he is worth, if the kid wants more he is free to go and search for more.

InNOut is starting at 17 bucks hour, so if the kid just wants a job then he can try there.

The carpenter can keep looking until he finds someone willing to accept his criteria.

He might not need to pay more or he might find out that he has to, simply because places like InNOut are paying 17.

Business are in competition with each other over labor that’s just the way it goes and right now labor is in demand.

[DMK]

What future does InNOut provide to someone who wants to be a carpenter?

[Toll_Collector]

@Samm

And yet people will pay $3 for a 50 cent cup of coffee simply because it’s called an Americano.

Dude, it’s a pretty big cup. The Americano. I pay 3 dollars for a Dunkin’ Donuts small coffee every day on my way home from work. Yeah it’s $2.25, I just give them 3 and drive off.

[Guvnah]

@Guntsu

He might not need to pay more or he might find out that he has to, simply because places like InNOut are paying 17.

Business are in competition with each other over labor that’s just the way it goes and right now labor is in demand.

Precisely!

Free market in action.

Government should stand back and let the market determine wages. (Just like it is doing right now.)

Government should not be setting artificial minimum wages.

[Guvnah]

@DMK

What future does InNOut provide to someone who wants to be a carpenter?

As far as I am concerned, that’s not pertinent to the question of minimum wages.

[Guntsu]

@DMK

What future does InNOut provide to someone who wants to be a carpenter?

Changing it up now…but

If the kid wants to grow up to be a future journeyman then he is gonna find the best apprenticeship for him that may or may not include wage in his consideration.

Or he can be an aspiring InNOut manager they make over 100k a year

The point is business are in competition for labor, labor is in demand and it’s only natural that folks will use that in their favor they would be dumb not to.

[Guvnah]

@Toll_Collector

@Samm

And yet people will pay $3 for a 50 cent cup of coffee simply because it’s called an Americano.

Dude, it’s a pretty big cup. The Americano. I pay 3 dollars for a Dunkin’ Donuts small coffee every day on my way home from work. Yeah it’s $2.25, I just give them 3 and drive off.

I pay about 50 cent a pot for coffee. Three coffee drinkers in the household get all the coffee they want.

Maybe the “need” for a $20hr “living” wage is rooted, in part, in lifestyle choices. Frequent meals in restaurants rather than cooking at home… $25/week (or more) in take-out coffee… Gaming subscriptions… Premium TV packages… Designer clothes… I could list countless things that are not necessary. We live in a consumerism society. It’s almost anathema to suggest that someone consider working 10 hours of overtime instead of spending those 10 hours playing Fortnight.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

What about the context makes it bad to hire refugees?

If nobody hires them, they’ll stop coming.

[Tom_Ch]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

What about the context makes it bad to hire refugees?

If nobody hires them, they’ll stop coming.

Wrong. They will continue to come. If the despair and deaths continue in their country, they will come. Job or no job.

[WuWei]

@Tom_Ch

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

What about the context makes it bad to hire refugees?

If nobody hires them, they’ll stop coming.

Wrong. They will continue to come. If the despair and deaths continue in their country, they will come. Job or no job.

Better tell @Jezcoe . He claims locking up people who hire them will make them stop coming.

[Jezcoe]

@Tom_Ch

Wrong. They will continue to come. If the despair and deaths continue in their country, they will come. Job or no job.

This is where people pretend that those who have refugee status are illegal immigrants.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@Tom_Ch

Wrong. They will continue to come. If the despair and deaths continue in their country, they will come. Job or no job.

This is where people pretend that those who have refugee status are illegal immigrants.

Ah, but they have learned to apply for asylum.

[Toll_Collector]

@Guvnah

@Toll_Collector

@Samm

And yet people will pay $3 for a 50 cent cup of coffee simply because it’s called an Americano.

Dude, it’s a pretty big cup. The Americano. I pay 3 dollars for a Dunkin’ Donuts small coffee every day on my way home from work. Yeah it’s $2.25, I just give them 3 and drive off.

I pay about 50 cent a pot for coffee. Three coffee drinkers in the household get all the coffee they want.

Maybe the “need” for a $20hr “living” wage is rooted, in part, in lifestyle choices. Frequent meals in restaurants rather than cooking at home… $25/week (or more) in take-out coffee… Gaming subscriptions… Premium TV packages… Designer clothes… I could list countless things that are not necessary. We live in a consumerism society. It’s almost anathema to suggest that someone consider working 10 hours of overtime instead of spending those 10 hours playing Fortnight.

Sob stories aside, I fully believe people make their own beds. But when I was growing up in the 80s, it was fairly easy to find a halfway decent paying job straight out of high school. Things have changed in that regard. Or is it just my perception? Back then as soon as you turned 18 or 19 you left that Burger King or 7/11 crap job. But you have to want it. Those type of jobs never have and never will pay a living wage.

[Toll_Collector]

@WuWei

@Tom_Ch

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

What about the context makes it bad to hire refugees?

If nobody hires them, they’ll stop coming.

Wrong. They will continue to come. If the despair and deaths continue in their country, they will come. Job or no job.

Better tell @Jezcoe . He claims locking up people who hire them will make them stop coming.

I don’t know what it would take. Locking up those that hire illegals is just one possibility. They come here with hope. Take that hope away and they’ll stop coming.

[WuWei]

Sure they will.