Mike Pence took a dump on the Constitution during Republican debate

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During last night’s debate, after whining and dinning our ears to how loyal he is to the Constitution, with reference to President Trump and the 2020 election, Mike Pence went on to take a dump on the Constitution by indicating he wants Congressional legislation banning abortion.

Pence stated:

“When the Supreme Court returned this question to the American people, they didn’t just send it to the states only. It’s not a states-only issue. It’s a moral issue,” Pence said. He argued that there should be a minimum standard for abortion to be banned at 15 weeks of pregnancy." SOURCE

First of all, the S. C. did not return the issue of abortion regulation, if any, to the States. It was always within those powers reserved by the states and people therein. The S.C. merely confirmed what our Constitution stated from the beginning.

The irrefutable fact is, there is not a syllable in the Constitution delegating a power to Congress to enter the States and impose Mike Pence’s personal predilections upon the people therein. In fact, the Tenth Amendment codifies into the constitution the supremacy of powers reserve by the states and people therein which are eloquently summarized in Federalist No 45:

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."

Mike Pence needs to take his sanctimonious dog and pony show elsewhere, especially now that he has openly taken a dump on our Constitution.

JWK

When a Republican Legislator demands a national ban on abortions, or a Democrat Legislator demands a total unregulated access to abortion, both are domestic enemies of Federalism, our Constitution’s plan, and need to be excoriated for the traitors they are in wanting to exercise authoritarian power over the states and people therein.

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Mike Pence shown his true colors…when he said it’s not my concern.

As Vivek Ramaswamy said…I wish you well in your future career on the boards of Lockheed and Raytheon.

I loved that line.

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There isn’t (or wasn’t) that Constitutional Power to end slavery either.

It took a Constitutional Amendment.

The same should hold for abortion.

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The only thing Pence contributed to the debate was his own awe at his own virtue.

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To be blunt, I fully appreciate Pence’s passion for ending abortion.

But the nation is not ready for a ban. Attempts to implement them now is a fool’s errand.

The political effort should be to shift the heart of the nation from its current abortion stance.

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Mike Pence (colorized)

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10th amendment covers abortion as much as is needed.

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Add to that the personality of a Zuchini…UGH.

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Why didn’t it cover slavery? (Or do you think it did?)

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What kind of Amendment would that look like?

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Depends on the proposal for the Amendment. It would have to be something that enough of Congress would support, as well as enough states after that.

All I’m saying is that it’s not Congress’ purview to impose such legislation, as Pence seems to be calling for. It should be done by the Amendment process if it is to govern all states. Just like it was for slavery.

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There is nothing you can do with Amendment process without under mining very foundation of Amendments.

I don’t care what congress does.

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Unless and until the Congress deems to define what a person is relevant to abortion it is simply not a federal issue.

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Good point. Any state charging murder for the death of the unborn has no business making abortion legal.

https://www.nrlc.org/federal/unbornvictims/statehomicidelaws092302/

Rape exception.

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Did the Slavery amendment do that too?

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I would simply insert the following provision into State constitutions, with the gestation limit changed to match the State’s abortion gestation limit.

Legal personhood shall never be granted to a fetus prior to the end of the sixteenth gestational week. No person shall be subject to the criminal sanction of murder or manslaughter for the death of a fetus prior to the end of the sixteenth gestational week, as a result of any criminal or negligent action.

Could be 16 or it could be different, depending on State, but it would match the State’s limit for elective abortion.

If a drunken driver hits a women who is 8 weeks pregnant and causes her to miscarry, he would NOT be subject to the sanction of manslaughter.

If a guy shoots a woman who is 8 weeks pregnant, causing the death of the woman and the embryo, he would be subject to a count of murder for the woman, but would not be sanctioned for the death of the embryo.

If the woman is 18 weeks pregnant in each situation above, the defendant would face the sanctions of manslaughter and (second instance) murder, respectively.

That eliminates hypocrisy in the law.

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Are you talking about section 1 of 13th Amendment?

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We amended our Constitution to outlaw slavery. Nationwide. I’m not interested in parsing the amendment with you.

We can do the same to outlaw abortion. In my opinion, it’s the only way there could be a legitimate ban at the federal level.

And just to be clear, I am NOT saying it’s something that should be attempted now.

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How would you word it without violating individual rights?

Anyone else want to try?

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I agree with you to the extent that the regulation of abortion, if any is to be had, is a legitimate subject matter not only retained by the States and people therein, but essential in preserving federalism, our constitution’s big-tent system, which is what Pence would arbitrarily subjugate with his desire to adopt federal legislation banning abortions past 15 weeks of a woman’s pregnancy.

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