Michigan school shooting

[Guilds]

@Tom_Ch

Fine except when you need one. Like an attacker who is twice your size. Or a large pit bull charging at you. Others like to prepare for the worst case. I can accept their right to carry.

Just like health insurance, you don’t have one and your healthy. All is good. As soon as you’re injured or sick, BAM!

As I have stated, own as many guns as you want. I choose not to.
I do prefer they were better regulated, with more accountability to those that own them

[RTchoke]

@TheRedComet

Same thing to you. Not all of us can afford to live among the bourgeois.

I am a working member of the proletariat. I can’t afford a house that costs 300,000 dollars in some neighborhood where the cops literally stay right outside the gates.

It’s rural. Police response is about twenty minutes at best.

That quick huh? We are lucky if they can respond in an hour.

[Janet_Miller]

Taking advantage of the right to bear arms makes us impolite?

No, the idea that it’s one’s freedom to treat someone who isn’t to our liking as we see fit does.

[zantax]

It is the parent’s job to see it and solve it. My youngest was heavy, girls in her school gave her grief and she started acting out in response. We saw the change, sent her to a behavioral psychologist to learn how to deal, and changed her school to a faith-based school where the kids were much kinder. Problem solved, nobody shot.

[Guilds]

@Janet_Miller

Taking advantage of the right to bear arms makes us impolite?

He was referencing a common quote:

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

Robert A. Heinlein

[toreyj01]

@zantax

It is the parent’s job to see it and solve it. My youngest was heavy, girls in her school gave her grief and she started acting out in response. We saw the change, sent her to a behavioral psychologist to learn how to deal, and changed her school to a faith-based school where the kids were much kinder. Problem solved, nobody shot.

My parents never knew what I went through, I never told them until I was an adult and in the Army. I wasn’t a whiner about it, I just dealt with it, it was my normal.

[Tom_Ch]

@toreyj01

@zantax

It is the parent’s job to see it and solve it. My youngest was heavy, girls in her school gave her grief and she started acting out in response. We saw the change, sent her to a behavioral psychologist to learn how to deal, and changed her school to a faith-based school where the kids were much kinder. Problem solved, nobody shot.

My parents never knew what I went through, I never told them until I was an adult and in the Army. I wasn’t a whiner about it, I just dealt with it, it was my normal.

Not all kids can handle it well. Some are scared for life. Some act out. Like those kids in columbine or other places. Not every case is identical. But the root cause is the same.

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

We saw the change, sent her to a behavioral psychologist to learn how to deal, and changed her school to a faith-based school where the kids were much kinder. Problem solved, nobody shot.

Luckily you had the means to do that switch.

By the way… faith based schools are the most judgemental I have ever seen.

[toreyj01]

@Tom_Ch

@toreyj01

@zantax

It is the parent’s job to see it and solve it. My youngest was heavy, girls in her school gave her grief and she started acting out in response. We saw the change, sent her to a behavioral psychologist to learn how to deal, and changed her school to a faith-based school where the kids were much kinder. Problem solved, nobody shot.

My parents never knew what I went through, I never told them until I was an adult and in the Army. I wasn’t a whiner about it, I just dealt with it, it was my normal.

Not all kids can handle it well. Some are scared for life. Some act out. Like those kids in columbine or other places. Not every case is identical. But the root cause is the same.

Oh, I agree. But I don’t see a solution for it. HS is a brutal little place for some kids, and heaven for others. Has always been that way, and if you find yourself on the bottom that is where you are going to stay. These are kids, they can be nice and they can be complete idiots. It is all about strata and where you fit in, and some kids just get the short end of the stick while others become Prom Kings and Queens, cheerleaders and Jocks.

The most important thing for kids to understand is that this doesn’t last forever, the whole thing is an illusion and that when you leave, that is when your life actually starts. HS is nothing more than a dress rehearsal.

[Scratch]

@Camp

No such thing as a neighborhood where it is unneccessary to arm oneself.

The neighborhoods with less crime will catch victims off guard.

Wow…Thats a hell of a mindset. Can’t imagine living like that…To each his own.

[Scratch]

@TheRedComet

It’s a crime to have a loaded gun in your own house?

Most pistols are used for self defense from burglars. Having your gun locked up in a multi lock safe and your ammo stored somewhere else is literally useless.

Yes…If its unsecured.

Can Parents Be Charged for Failing to Keep Their Guns Locked Up? (Published...

“Texas is one of 14 states with a “negligent storage law,” which can make gun-owning parents criminally liable for crimes committed with their firearms by their children.”

[Janet_Miller]

Why should school be a thoroughly unpleasant place for some?

There should be consequences for bad behavior.

Seems incidents at the high school level are worse than when I was in school during the 1980s.

Here’s one example, gee! I thought the average Massachusetts resident was proud of their Irish heritage to the point they wore it on their sleeves. I guess not:

The Phoebe Prince Bullying Case - Keep Your Child Safe.org

It’s disturbing at the end the article condones bullying as the tormentors were “just kids” “engaged in behaviors all kids engage in, that we promote”…I’m sorry, what? Not every teen conducts themselves in such a manner.

These “kids” are now adult trash probably engaged in workplace harassment. Not having any consequences for bad behavior is the problem, but it still doesn’t explain why, as with Phoebe Prince, such incidents have gotten so much worse.

[margaretms2]

@Tom_Ch

@Camp

Good for you.

@Guilds

@Camp

Good for you.

The idea that there exists a place safe from the worst crime is a canard.

No safe spaces.

I feel very safe where I am, and when I am out and about.

No gun necessary.

Fine except when you need one. Like an attacker who is twice your size. Or a large pit bull charging at you. Others like to prepare for the worst case. I can accept their right to carry.

Just like health insurance, you don’t have one and your healthy. All is good. As soon as you’re injured or sick, BAM!

The problem with this point/analogy is that it fails to acknowledge any downsides, risks, or worst-case scenarios to owning a gun/keeping a gun around that also need to be taken into account.

[margaretms2]

Heinlein is full of ■■■■■ as almost always.

I stand corrected. Here’s that bromide in its full context. Notice anything? LOL:

Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. For me, politeness is a sine qua non of civilization. That’s a personal evaluation only. But gun-fighting has a strong biological use. We do not have enough things that kill off the weak and the stupid these days. But to stay alive as an armed citizen a man has to be either quick with his wits or with his hands, preferably both. It’s a good thing.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

@WuWei

They don’t.

Sure they do…your hyper-individualism does not like the possible solutions.

No, they don’t.

[Janet_Miller]

Here’s New Hampshire:

2006 New Hampshire Statutes - Section 650-C:1 Negligent Storage of Firearms.

Here’s Massachusetts:

https://www.dellisonlaw.com/massachusetts-improper-storage-of-a-firearm-lawyer

Here’s Michigan on minors under 18 accessing firearms:

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[WuWei]

@Guilds

@WuWei

“Regulations”.

yes…“Regulations”.

How many “regulations” were broken in this one incident?

[WuWei]

@Guilds

@WuWei

It already has and is.

Where can you legally buy a sawed off shotgun? Machine gun?

And since the 2nd states “arms” not firearms…there are tons of arms that are regulated.

Any class 3 dealer who sells them. You don’t know what you’re talking about. And it shows.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

I do prefer they were better regulated, with more accountability to those that own them

@Guilds

I choose not to.

Then your “prefer” doesn’t matter, now does it?

It never did regarding mine. Close the blinds Karen.

[Janet_Miller]

“I should have to lock them up”?

Do you have any children under 18?

If the answer is no, then no.

If they are properly trained in handling, operating, cleaning and storage of firearms, then no.

An acquaintance who lives closer to Boston than I got a carry conceal due to threats from ex bf/baby daddy, this guy really is a ■■■■■ and it isn’t even good ■■■■■

Problem is their teenager was being treated for depression and she had gotten involved with another man with whom he didn’t get along. Kid accessed the weapon & killed himself.

Probably if she was a man, she’d be charged. It’s doubtful the Commonwealth will pursue charges, though.