Michelle Obama calls on teachers to help students register to vote

[mobulis]

@JayJay

No it’s bad because we need to stop doing things to cater to the lazy.

If people want to vote, let them register to do so. No one need do it for them. It’s easy to do.

Like I said, you don’t want more people to vote.

[JayJay]

@mobulis

@JayJay

No it’s bad because we need to stop doing things to cater to the lazy.

If people want to vote, let them register to do so. No one need do it for them. It’s easy to do.

Like I said, you don’t want more people to vote.

If you had read all my responses in this thread and in this foeum over time you would know that isn’t true.

You are imposing your sense of the value of automatic registration on me and using it to beat me over the head with it…nothing more.

[mobulis]

@JayJay

@mobulis

@JayJay

No it’s bad because we need to stop doing things to cater to the lazy.

If people want to vote, let them register to do so. No one need do it for them. It’s easy to do.

Like I said, you don’t want more people to vote.

If you had read all my responses in this thread and in this foeum over time you would know that isn’t true.

You are imposing your sense of the value of automatic registration on me and using it to beat me over the head with it…nothing more.

It is true because your stated reasons make no sense.

[Borgia_dude]

@JayJay

No it’s bad because we need to stop doing things to cater to the lazy.

If people want to vote, let them register to do so. No one need do it for them. It’s easy to do.

Why don’t you want lazy people to vote? They could care deeply about politics and be very well informed yet be too lazy to register.

[westaussie]

JJ would you support the change the day of the election to a Saturday?

[Samm]

@westaussie

To state the obvious it is unsubstantiated because it is simply not true.

So you actually believe and have proof that being crazy makes you a genius? I’m sure everyone here would love to see that!

[Samm]

@westaussie

I have never hidden where I am domiciled. As such my views expressed are from an Aussie perspective. Further I have not hidden which side of Australian politics I am located. And to again state what I have said several times it is up the USA voters what they choose to support.

I do not flatter myself nor delude myself that the views I express are likely to have any impact on any poster participating on this forum and there is absolutely no chance that my views would affect any election result in the USA.

Of course you have. You spent considerable time and effort claiming that you are not a liberal in spite of your strong advocacy for liberal positions and stating clearly that you know of no American politicians who are to your left. You are the personification of a liberal.

[BlueTex]

@JayJay

No it’s bad because we need to stop doing things to cater to the lazy.

If people want to vote, let them register to do so. No one need do it for them. It’s easy to do.

How easy is it in Texas?

[Samm]

@mobulis

The idea that automatic registration violates free will is totally absurd.

It is the epitome of government violating free will. Such an action by government doesn’t even allow you the opportunity to act freely even to register on your own. And what does it accomplish? How is the functionality of voting improved? As I see it, all it really accomplishes is to reduce the percentage of registered voters who actually vote.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

The idea that automatic registration violates free will is totally absurd.

It is the epitome of government violating free will. Such an action by government doesn’t even allow you the opportunity to act freely even to register on your own. And what does it accomplish? How is the functionality of voting improved? As I see it, all it really accomplishes is to reduce the percentage of registered voters who actually vote.

So you don’t believe that people who are automatically registered will vote? And still doesn’t violate free will.

[Samm]

@westaussie

Yes it is inherently better. If the USA had a 90% voter turnout in the 2016 US Presidential election do you think that Donald Trump would have received enough votes for him to be elected?

As to the other point re database I am sure that there are other data sources that would provide more information to better target potential voters.

Why do you think that a higher voter turn out would have reversed the outcome of the election?

[Samm]

@JayJay

@westaussie

Yes it is inherently better. If the USA had a 90% voter turnout in the 2016 US Presidential election do you think that Donald Trump would have received enough votes for him to be elected?

As to the other point re database I am sure that there are other data sources that would provide more information to better target potential voters.

What if 95% of that increased voter turnout picked who to vote for based on a coin flip or roll of the dice?

Is that now a good thing?

The concept of 90-95% of the eligible voters voting sounds good, but in reality it is full of pit falls. Most people who do not vote either are too apathetic to even know what they would be voting for (or against) or do not like any of the choices on the ballot. IMO, the privilege of voting comes with the responsibility to inform oneself of the issues and of the political philosophy and integrity of the candidates. The only thing worse than not voting is to cast an ignorant vote. Every uninformed vote cast has the potential to cancel an informed vote.

Whenever I am asked about my opinion about low voter turn out, I joke that the ideal voter turn out is one … me.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@JayJay

@westaussie

Yes it is inherently better. If the USA had a 90% voter turnout in the 2016 US Presidential election do you think that Donald Trump would have received enough votes for him to be elected?

As to the other point re database I am sure that there are other data sources that would provide more information to better target potential voters.

What if 95% of that increased voter turnout picked who to vote for based on a coin flip or roll of the dice?

Is that now a good thing?

The concept of 90-95% of the eligible voters voting sounds good, but in reality it is full of pit falls. Most people who do not vote either are too apathetic to even know what they would be voting for (or against) or do not like any of the choices on the ballot. IMO, the privilege of voting comes with the responsibility to inform oneself of the issues and of the political philosophy and integrity of the candidates. The only thing worse than not voting is to cast an ignorant vote. Every uninformed vote cast has the potential to cancel an informed vote.

Whenever I am asked about my opinion about low voter turn out, I joke that the ideal voter turn out is one … me.

I don’t really believe your joking.

[Samm]

@mobulis

@JayJay

No…it’s not.

Telling people via multiple channels to register…good.

Automatic voter registry…bad.

For all of the reasons stated and more.

Its only bad to those who don’t like more people voting.

Automatic registration will not increase voter turn out.

[JayJay]

Isaac Asimov had a nice short story with that as the plot.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

@JayJay

No…it’s not.

Telling people via multiple channels to register…good.

Automatic voter registry…bad.

For all of the reasons stated and more.

Its only bad to those who don’t like more people voting.

Automatic registration will not increase voter turn out.

You might be right but there are no drawbacks to trying.

[amadeus]

I’ve followed this thread off and on. Two obvious conclusions: (1) No reason why teachers shouldn’t help kids learn the registration process, and (2) No reason why we don’t have automatic registration.

[Samm]

@Borgia_dude

@JayJay

No it’s bad because we need to stop doing things to cater to the lazy.

If people want to vote, let them register to do so. No one need do it for them. It’s easy to do.

Why don’t you want lazy people to vote? They could care deeply about politics and be very well informed yet be too lazy to register.

That’s almost an oxymoron. Lazy people tend to not put in any effort to educate themselves on the issues and the candidates. Do you want your well informed and reasoned vote canceled out by someone who votes on a whim?

[amadeus]

@JayJay

Isaac Asimov had a nice short story with that as the plot.

Gotta love Asimov. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve read the Foundation Trilogy. May favorite little novel is The End of Eternity.

[Samm]

@mobulis

So you don’t believe that people who are automatically registered will vote? And still doesn’t violate free will.

Voter registration rolls and the data therein are used for more than just eligibility to vote.