Have you ever read the Olmstead Case. It wasn’t Egg Heads.
WuWei
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Yes, it was. Who wrote the recommendation?
No Dude…It wasn’t. It came out of the Americans With Disabilities Act, it was a supreme court decision that in a nutshell stated that because of the ADA people in institutions had the right to receive supports and services in the community in their own homes if necessary so they would not have to keep going into and out of institutions.
It was a good decision, it’s why I have a job today. Most of the people I serve and support, are in the community because of Olmstead V L.C.
My problem with it is it went too far, left no safety net of institutionalization for those who were not capable.
This is a major case in any curriculum for people studying Public Health. A whole new industry, funding stream, and sets of regulations came out of it. You are simply wrong. I know it is a tough pill to swallow…but this is my thing. It’s why I do what I do professionally.
Here’s a little light reading to help you understand.
https://www.olmsteadrights.org/about-olmstead/#Brief%20History%20of%20Olmstead
WuWei
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Who wrote the recommendation?
Well I suppose you could say it was a man named Justin Dart, an American businessman who wanted to be a teacher but could not get a license because he was in a wheel chair. He fought this discrimination and when Regan was President he appointed Dart to head a committee that eventually framed the American with Disabilities Act. The most comprehensive law regarding people with disabilities and discrimination in the world.
I guess the egg heads you are referring to are people like Justin Dart, and the congressmen and women who wrote the bill to begin with.
Olmstead V L.C. was a supreme court case that challenged the fact that people’s rights were not protected as stated in the ADA law. The Supreme Court agreed. Olmstead was a land mark case. It also created a mass of problems as well.
WuWei
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No. Completely missing the point.
No…I am not. And if I am…maybe you could explain yourself better. Tell me what the point is instead of slinking around it like I am some sort of mind reader.
WuWei
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Who recommended they would be “better off in the community”?
Dart and his committee, and the congressmen and women who wrote and advanced the bill. The ADA bill. Again…Olmstead is not a law…it was a legal decision based on the ADA Law.
rp5x5
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In CA they created a private business model to take care of disabled in group homes.
This created a situation where businessmen could buy a neighborhood house and receive 6 patients per group home and they would receive $3000.00 per month per patient, plus a $1500.00 transportation fee for each patient. The resident/patients would be bused to a Special Ed class 5 days a week.
The home had to provide food and care. Quality of food and care quickly became terrible. Abuse happened. Instead of real nurses and highly trained technicians minimum wage people were hired as the caregivers. The State Hospitals by the 90’s were comparably a paradise for patients, who had great health care from every hospital specialty a highly experienced and educated multidisiplinary staff and constant stimulation and activities.
The entire “community” project was greed based and kickback corruption.
The system broke down quickly as these group home owners realized they can’t get rich and take care of disabled too.
The counties still had patients who required a less restrictive setting.
Because of patient confidentiality rules, people at large would generally have no idea of the severity of the patients,
The Government was able to cut costs much more than half so they could vote themselves higher salaries and create big $ RE schemes for friends.
A perfect setup causing many thousands of homeless wandering the streets
Anyone interested in history based fiction about the poor treatment of mentally ill, read John Saul’s The Blackstone Chronicles. It’s a serial novel, like Steven King’s The Green Mile.
For something more recent and outside the U S (Denmark), Sara Blaedel’s The Forgotten Girls is excellent reading.
The care of the mentally ill hasn’t always been humane. However, can someone here tell me how living in the streets, talking to imaginary beings is more humane?
Some patients aren’t going to be too reliable when it comes to taking meds. Some mentally ill need more than community care type settings.
I dare anyone to tell me how caring 24/7 for a severely mentally handicapped child who doesn’t respond to meds, and, at 70 lbs & on the level of an infant, is humane.
This kid has his parents up from the crack of dawn until some time around midnight. How is the parents wondering who will care for him once they’re too feeble humane?
How is having an Alzheimers patient who is physically violent & one of the social worker’s goals for that patient (I kid you not) taking a shower before her next visit humane? These are situations some have due to de institutionalization of the severely mentally delayed and ill.
I run a program that does just this. We provide 24 hour care and support for people just like this. It works for most of these individuals. We also have group homes that are highly regulated and safe. And we have staff who will go into the families home and help the parents care for these children or adults.
Yet there is a small percentage maybe 2 or 3 that still should be cared for in institutions.
rp5x5
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What is the homeless population in your cities?
In CA the plan is to close the remaining Dev Centers.
The homeless situation in Los Angeles has never been worse and the mentally disabled homeless is —most of them, regardless what some might say.
rp5x5
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In CA the politicians have a plan to build high rise residential buildings for homeless apartments. It’s a money making scheme and contractors are lining up.
The regular home owners are against this and beginning to call it what it is: a scam.
In the meantime the Trespassing laws are officially being dismantled by Gascon and the leftist bureau. The police hands are tied, Backyards aren’t safe anymore.
I’m sorry, what?
Hey, congratulations to both liberals and conservatives on the feel good actions of deinstitutionalizing the severely mentally ill.
Most of us could care less if some poor soul is obsessive compulsive or suffering from some other neurosis. But what of teen whose high on the autism spectrum, has the physique of an average boy in the early teens, but the mind and communication skills of an infant?
Said teen apparently hit several partygoers at an event my family was present. Is that an example of “just not liking how someone lives”?
He’s no longer eligible for use of the school-bus. His parents attend to him from dawn to dusk.
Inpatient services would be respite for this family and their neurotypical children, but alas. Many have deemed a majority to benefit more from outpatient treatment and helped destroy inpatient services.
Has anyone actually thought about where the severely mentally ill & disabled can go once their parents become too feeble, or die? Probably not.
It’s more about feeling good and saving money now. Has anyone ever thought the events of Sandy Hook might never have taken place if inpatient care was available?
Nope, it’s all about feeling good. Way to go!
Who are you addressing and what post are you addressing two months later?
Funny a lot of libs demand links from those who have the opposing POV, but never from each other.
Because being homeless is such a mercy 
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