May quits as UK prime minister

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-26T06:02:05.026Z

Now would be the time for a second referendum, before the next PM is chosen. Then people would know where the pols the pols stand.

westaussie · 2019-05-26T06:15:13.708Z

Is the most likely compromise going to be a confirming referendum for any deal passed by the Commons?

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-26T06:55:41.219Z

westaussie:

Is the most likely compromise going to be a confirming referendum for any deal passed by the Commons?

I doubt there will be a confirming referendum. If any deal gets passed parliament they’ll go with that. The only reason for a 2nd vote will be to show that a majority of people don’t want to leave any more.

westaussie · 2019-05-26T08:53:41.475Z

My thought was that the only way a deal would pass the commons would have a confirming referendum attached to the legislation.

westaussie · 2019-05-26T15:27:37.037Z

May’s incompetence and obduracy combined with the idiots in the ERG prevented a deal from being passed. May refused to negotiate with either the Labour Party or the SNP.

I note that you mentioned that the SNP wanted to stay: a very reasonable position given that Scotland voted to remain despite what the orange idiot said to the contrary.

Where does the Irish border come into your explanation?

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-26T18:22:44.817Z

westaussie:

My thought was that the only way a deal would pass the commons would have a confirming referendum attached to the legislation.

2 problems as I see it.

Time would be a problem, particularly if it looses vote.
I’m not sure there’s any plan that would pass a vote. If all the Remain vote against, and those that don’t like it vote against. How do you get a vote to approve?

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-26T18:43:27.383Z

CassandraJoe:

I haven’t been following Brexit as closely as I might,

Ahhh….Good Times…

Joe, you’re right, you haven’t followed it carefully. There’s always been 1/3 of English that have never wanted to be part to EU. Remember, it took 2 votes to approval to join the EU. Although the immigration issue is part of it, the bigger issue was the belief among some that they were losing too much sovereignty to Brussels. Then, of course, there were all the lies the Leave people told…Money give-aways to Europe, the EU would come begging…there were just too many to list.

And no one thought about the hard border at Ireland/NI.

CanadianJudo · 2019-05-26T18:47:43.769Z

EU election have nothing to do with brexit or UK Parliament.,

westaussie · 2019-05-27T03:17:28.487Z

I can’t remember the figure quoted but I think it was something in the order of 300+ million pounds per year would be made available for the NHS was one promise made by those promoting Brexit was a total blatant lie.

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-27T03:56:52.403Z

westaussie:

I can’t remember the figure quoted but I think it was something in the order of 300+ million pounds per year would be made available for the NHS was one promise made by those promoting Brexit was a total blatant lie.

I think it may have been as much as £300 million a day at one time. The Leave people had no shame.

westaussie · 2019-05-27T04:08:44.247Z

Do you ever watch The Last Leg? They have a special contempt for Farage, Johnson, the orange idiot, Rees-Mogg and Jeremy Hunt.

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-27T04:10:47.879Z

No, I don’t follow it that carefully.

westaussie · 2019-05-27T11:07:38.629Z

Thanks for your detailed response. I am by no means an expert on all things Brexit. From what I understand May would brook no variation to her deal which flew in the face of the internal opposition from the ERG. Late last year she wasted 4-8 weeks when she did nothing to try to get a deal done.

Again with respect to the Irish border any physical border will potentially jeopardise the Good Friday accord, The consequence of that is the potential for the conflict to be re-ignited.

Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

Obviously, Corbyn and Labour played politics with the issue. However, May was the PM, it was her responsibility to get the legislation through the Commons.

The Conservative Party is deeply divided and could face a potential split depending on who is elected the PM in the next few weeks. Labour is also divided on the issue. Depending on when the next general election is held it is likely that both major parties will have a drop in their vote. I would expect the SNP to increase their vote in Scotland. Farage and his rabble will get votes but the UK have a first past the post system so it is hard to see how his party could win enough seats to form government. A party needs to win 326 seats to have a majority.

One other possible fallout will be that the Scottish parliament pushes for a second independence referendum.

One final point with respect to monitoring of movements, in the discussions I have heard there was talk about using technology that as yet does not exist.

Bill.in.PA · 2019-05-27T12:48:07.873Z

There are some proposals to abolish all tariffs on imports into the UK in the case of a no-deal Brexit:

The Economist

After a no-deal Brexit, should Britain abolish all tariffs?

It would mean cheaper food—but bankrupt farmers

If Britain did that, then any disruptions in trade would be a direct result of EU actions; any walls or trade barriers would be on the EU side of the border.

westaussie · 2019-05-27T17:32:51.152Z

My take on that proposal is that it is analogous to jumping out of an aeroplane without a parachute. You might survive but it will be bad for your health whatever happens.

Axxowiz · 2019-05-27T17:34:47.171Z

Immigration often gets thrown out there as the main reason “Leave” was able to win but I have read that a high percentage of voters were fed up with the EU Brussels set up we’re they are being led by unelected officials.

westaussie · 2019-05-27T17:40:04.370Z

What should be pointed out is that there are probably more than 2 million people who either were too young to vote in the previous referendum or have died since the first referendum.

To me the only fair resolution to this impasse would be to allow a second referendum where the choice is between the deal/no deal passed by the Commons and remain in the EU.

Axxowiz · 2019-05-27T18:45:52.952Z

There not going to do that without one of the major parties fully endorsing it in which they don’t. Also don’t forget the deadline which the EU itself set which they said there will be no further negotiations on Oct 31st which is approaching.

Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party is a Euro-sceptic himself. There is no appetite for a second referendum among the leaders. There is also a chance “Leave” would win again.

Tilly_jow · 2019-05-27T19:35:45.618Z

[quote=“CassandraJoe, post:66, topic:189829, full: true”]
Like so many other Brexit issues, I don’t really understand the problem. I don’t get why the Ireland/N. Ireland border must suddenly turn into a “Berlin-Wall” DMZ with tank traps, land mines, and armed border guards… [/quote]

In this statement you sum-up you total lack of understanding of the future England/EU relationship.

westaussie · 2019-05-28T06:39:12.290Z

What have I asked for? I gave my analysis based on what I have seen in PMQs, votes in the Commons and interviews with members of the House of Commons. Also, taking into consideration what the EU have done and said.