Let’s be fair and do the whole thing.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
–2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”
–James Madison
“It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United states, as well as that of the states; and in view of this prerogative of the general government as well as of its general powers, the States’ cannot, even laying the constitutional provisions in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the General Government.”
SCOTUS - Presser vs. Illinois (1886)
United States Code Title 10, Chapter 13, Section 311 (a):
all males between the ages of 17 and 45 who are either citizens of the United States or have declared their intent to become citizens are members of the unorganized militia.
Period. Stop. Put your pencils down, children.
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We’ve seen how that plays out. Did you applaud Australia’s documented abuses of their population during covid lockdowns?
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Guvnah
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Not today, they don’t.
When other things get banned and shooters resort to those, then the continuation of the banning movement will move to whatever gets used next.
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Guvnah
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“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” (John Adams).
We are seeing profound examples of that with the abuse of firearms.
We are no longer a moral and religious people. (Some will claim that we never were, and that’s debatable. Certainly we are less so than in John Adams’ day.)
With the path we’re on, we’re approaching the day when we will have to abandon our Constitution because it will be inadequate for our society.
JimmyC
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Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
- Antonin Scalia "DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER"
Coming from a fellow man of color I find that statement ironic.
Who has firearms legislation always negatively affected the most? Who was it targeted at? What did the California government do when the Black Panthers armed theirselves to defend black communities in Los Angeles and Oakland? What did the Jim Crow south do when they found black men armed in their homes?
Men like us. They targeted men like us.
Orygun
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Yeah there are more SC rulings as well.
And lets add to how judges and society viewed gun control constitutionally and historically.
"From the beginning of the republic, states had placed some limits on gun owners, such as forbidding carrying them in crowded places. But with the Supreme Court assurance that such statutes were valid, in the last decades of the 19th century, the popularity of such laws in state legislatures really took off.
Twenty-eight states had some curbs on where guns could be carried, and 15 barred minors from owning guns. In 1875, Wyoming actually banned all personally owned firearms from “any city, town or village.”
None of these state statutes were challenged at the Supreme Court."
Orygun
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Probably the most important part of the Heller decision is bolded…
JimmyC
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And of course with the current court all bets are off
For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues
The ephors spoke nonsense imo, but it is what we live by.
Regardless of that you need to prove that certain firearms are more “deadly” than other firearms based on their feature set in order to implement a ban.
What makes an AR-15 more “deadly” or “effective” than any other semiautomatic rifle? Like the Ruger Mini-14?
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Orygun
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Okey doke. But this wasnt just them- it was states and municipalities across the US. Gun control is not some modern lib invention. Its been around to keep the populace safe since the beginning.
More like to keep the populace oppressed.
Especially black men. All firearm control laws from the Deep South in the 19th and 20th centuries were targeted at black men. To keep them disarmed and easy prey.
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Orygun
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This law was not directed at black or indigenous folks.
"In 1875, Wyoming actually banned all personally owned firearms from “any city, town or village.”
Guilds
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Or, we can interpret the 2nd as it was for for 220+ years, before a bunch of radicals took over the NRA., and they became lobbyists for the gun industry, where their goal is to sell as many guns as possible.
You have been lied to…there is nothing in the 2nd that refers to personal ownership of guns, with no regulations.
Wyoming had maybe ten black people in it in the 1870s.
I was speaking of the Deep South.
Or you’re simply ignoring the plain “King’s English” that was put on hemp parchment when the bill of rights was codified.
There’s plenty of regulations around firearms. You ever seen the tax paperwork necessary to get a ■■■■■■■ suppressor?
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Orygun
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Key point here.
Fundamentalist all or nothing thinking has been applied to the Constitution by modern day conservatives. Thats why we are allowing kids easy access to highly lethal guns to shoot up schools and parades while also barring ten year olds who have been incestuously raped to not have an abortion.
There is no wiggle room, no exceptions, no “infringements”. Its a Talibanic interpretation of the Constitution.
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Guilds
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There? There are many “theres”
Common sense gun regulations. I know it would take 1-2 generations to effectively reduce the amount of guns owned in the US.
But we have to start at some point.
At least you guys are finally admitting the reason we have so many gun deaths, is because we have far too many guns, with minimal regulations.
What does abortion have to do with this?
I’m not a social con by any means. And I disagree with the ending of Roe. I would have rather it stayed in place.
You’d be surprised just how many millennial firearms owners are pretty much left leaning (like myself) but cannot support the overall agenda because you (collectively) are so stuck on ripping away a basic right from us.
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Guilds
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We need more.
Or we simply accept the amount of gun deaths…in the name of…freedom?
I am not willing to do that.
