Maryland Gerrymandering

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-06T12:05:58.023Z

Jamerican:

So can we all agree partisan gerrymandering is wrong no matter what side does it?

no

5ch

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-06T12:12:49.355Z

dubarry20833:

They can continue to do what they want for political purposes.

that is precisely why we vote for them, for political purposes.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-06T12:14:08.842Z

there is no such thing as a congressional district that is not gerrymandered unless a state has only one.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T12:28:45.959Z

all redistricting is gerrymandering. all of it is to some purpose.

if a state is 54-46 dem or rep would it be “unfair” to draw every single district 54-46? it would be a representation of the state. the outcome may be 100% one party, outcomes are not guarenteed. how about drawing them so that 5 districts have 80% one party and 4 80% the other. now you have a gaurenteed “fair” distribution of seats, and a completely polarized electorate thats actually less representative of the whole. no matter how you draw a district you are designing it for a desired outcome.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T15:15:58.944Z

Ben_Natuf:

there is no such thing as a congressional district that is not gerrymandered unless a state has only one

But most districts make sense, unlike the ones in. Texas, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Maryland.

Allan

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T15:20:21.792Z

they all make sense when you look at the goal. every outcome is gerrymandered to some affect. when you disagree with the affect, you cry, when you agree its (d)ifferent.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T15:22:33.936Z

Ben_Natuf:

they all make sense when you look at the goal. every outcome is gerrymandered to some affect. when you disagree with the affect, you cry, when you agree its (d)ifferent

Some are much more gerrymandered than others by. Republicans. Maryland being the obvious exception. Jersey for instance hasn’t ever had a gerrymandering problem.

Allan

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T15:29:43.553Z

yeah… right

Vox – 14 Dec 18

New Jersey Democrats are threatening to undermine their state’s democracy

New Jersey Democrats have a new gerrymandering plan. It is indefensible — and national Democrats need to stop it.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T15:31:44.581Z

An unsuccessful attempt by a minority of dems to amend the state constitution who wanted to Gerrymander.

The proposal went down in flames.

Allan

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T15:51:39.083Z

still wrong

For most of the last decade, New Jersey’s House delegation was split evenly between the parties and most incumbents breezed to reelection each year in districts designed to favor one party of the other.

for truths sake you have 4 districts that aren’t even contiguous. your commision serves to reenforce gerrymandered seats and protect incumbants.

https://www.njspotlight.com/2021/06/redrawing-nj-congressional-districts-commission-democrats-republicans-gerrymandering-partisan-high-stakes-house-control-targeting-malinowski-kim-van-drew/

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T17:04:13.392Z

Ben_Natuf:

for truths sake you have 4 districts that aren’t even contiguous. your commision serves to reenforce gerrymandered seats and protect incumbants.

Not contiguous?

They are all contiguous.

Allan

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T17:06:05.241Z

not according to the picture niether the 6th nor 8th appear to be

point being, your commision gerrymandered them to protect incumbents

komobu · 2021-09-07T17:23:38.496Z

Im not sure gerrymandering is necessarily wrong, but it does deserve scrutiny.

Look at the congressional district for Bobby Scott in Virginia.

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They carved out pretty much just the black areas of 5 different cities to get his district. Part of me says it is wrong and the area should all be together. But if the area was all together, many minorities would not have representation because they dont have the numbers to take the district.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T17:25:35.075Z

hence it is gerrymandering that insures minority representation.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T19:39:39.991Z

Ben_Natuf:

point being, your commision gerrymandered them to protect incumbents

Sure didn’t help the incumbents.

Decade started out with 6 republicans and ended with 2.

Allan

Mountain_Soldier · 2021-09-07T19:44:49.142Z

biggestal99:

Ben_Natuf:

point being, your commision gerrymandered them to protect incumbents

Sure didn’t help the incumbents.

Decade started out with 6 republicans and ended with 2.

Allan

And there’s an effort underway in Maryland to gerrymander the lone republican’s district so there won’t be a single Republican in that state.

All major democrat players in Maryland are on board with it too. It’s going to happen and Dems don’t care.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-07T19:48:08.021Z

outcomes are not gaurenteed.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T20:19:58.926Z

Ben_Natuf:

outcomes are not gaurenteed

Yep they stuck democratic Dover in the 7th cause it was safely Republican (we used to be in the 11th in the old map)

Guess it wasn’t so safe as the incumbent when down in flames during the 2018 bloodbath.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T20:20:34.991Z

biggestal99:

Yep they stuck democratic Dover in the 7th cause it was safely Republican (we used to be in the 11th in the old map)

Guess it wasn’t so safe as the incumbent when down in flames during the 2018 bloodbath.

Allan

So much for protection.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-09-07T20:23:29.935Z

Mountain_Soldier:

And there’s an effort underway in Maryland to gerrymander the lone republican’s district so there won’t be a single Republican in that state.

All major democrat players in Maryland are on board with it too. It’s going to happen and Dems don’t care.

If you really want to see gerrymandering poetry in motion look at the new North Carolina map when it comes out.

Their tricks (splitting us Asheville) gives us the great congressperson Madison cawthone.

Allan